The great antler debate continues.
07-13-2005, 02:42 PM
#22
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mid Missouri
Posts: 91
RE: The great antler debate continues.
The Missouri AR law doesn't apply to the youth season, so the kid out on there first hunt can kill a spike.
We have a lot of does, so if what you are after is meat you still have
a great chance of filling your freezer. The jurry is still out if it will work here, that is why they are doing the trial in 29 countys. This will be the second year, I was kind of surprised they didn't expand it
to more counties this year. I for one hope it helps bring the doe/buck ratio of the herd more in balance and we will see more mature bucks
We have a lot of does, so if what you are after is meat you still have
a great chance of filling your freezer. The jurry is still out if it will work here, that is why they are doing the trial in 29 countys. This will be the second year, I was kind of surprised they didn't expand it
to more counties this year. I for one hope it helps bring the doe/buck ratio of the herd more in balance and we will see more mature bucks
07-13-2005, 03:02 PM
#24
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Coralville, IA. USA
Posts: 3,802
RE: The great antler debate continues.
As I was reading a magazine last night, a gentleman from northern Missouri was all in a bunch over this. He says that it is the beginning of the end of hunting, and that since he can no longer shoot a small buck, he cannot as effectively provide food for his family.
if the deer can't grow to its optimum genetic level then he will never breed a doeto that level.
Use age and/or a size limit...ie 125inch minimum.
Legal antler restrictions in any form are the proverbial big s*** sandwich and all hunters will have to take a bite.
Mike
07-13-2005, 03:08 PM
#25
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
RE: The great antler debate continues.
I can only pray they bring AR's to where I hunt.
You guys that are so against it I notice you are from Pike Co, IL. Well duh....you have one of the best herds in the country. Your 1.5yr olds are probably bigger than most of the deer where I hunt. Come and hunt on ground where a 5.5yr old might make p&y....then you'll want AR's.
PA is a prime example that it can and does work. I agree, it may not be the absolute perfect solution....but it is probably the most practical and enforcible one available. Also, I belive PA has a youth law or something...so the young hunters can still take a buck of any size. Maybe someone from PA can elaborate on that, I'm not 100% sure.
I say "Let em go so they can grow!"
You guys that are so against it I notice you are from Pike Co, IL. Well duh....you have one of the best herds in the country. Your 1.5yr olds are probably bigger than most of the deer where I hunt. Come and hunt on ground where a 5.5yr old might make p&y....then you'll want AR's.
PA is a prime example that it can and does work. I agree, it may not be the absolute perfect solution....but it is probably the most practical and enforcible one available. Also, I belive PA has a youth law or something...so the young hunters can still take a buck of any size. Maybe someone from PA can elaborate on that, I'm not 100% sure.
I say "Let em go so they can grow!"
07-13-2005, 03:12 PM
#26
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 235
RE: The great antler debate continues.
if they go with the 125 min. score restriction, then they will have to guve people a bit of a lee way on them. like lets say 10 inches. i never meant for people to have to guess the deers score right on the dot.
all the outfitters around where i hunt don't sit right next to the person in the stand and tell them to shoot. even if they do around where you hunt, im sure they let the hunter guess if he is big enough first. then they go from there.
still this year in IL will be bull****, because they did away with check stations and won't be able to measure the deer or check if it has the min. ammount of pts. in doing so there will be more poachers in the woods killing deer than ever before. people who process their own meat can kil a buck and tag it as a doe. the only way they will catch people is when they take the meat to a processer.
don't you see though WV hunter, we have such good deer genes and QDM around in pike co., that that is the reason we don't want the AR's. where some people hunt, it may be the only thing that works, but where i hunt in Pike, it will make it worse. if they put AR's in IL i don't think it will be across the entire state, only the counties with low #'s and poor buck genes.
all the outfitters around where i hunt don't sit right next to the person in the stand and tell them to shoot. even if they do around where you hunt, im sure they let the hunter guess if he is big enough first. then they go from there.
still this year in IL will be bull****, because they did away with check stations and won't be able to measure the deer or check if it has the min. ammount of pts. in doing so there will be more poachers in the woods killing deer than ever before. people who process their own meat can kil a buck and tag it as a doe. the only way they will catch people is when they take the meat to a processer.
don't you see though WV hunter, we have such good deer genes and QDM around in pike co., that that is the reason we don't want the AR's. where some people hunt, it may be the only thing that works, but where i hunt in Pike, it will make it worse. if they put AR's in IL i don't think it will be across the entire state, only the counties with low #'s and poor buck genes.
07-13-2005, 03:29 PM
#27
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
RE: The great antler debate continues.
ORIGINAL: Buckhunter 17
don't you see though WV hunter, we have such good deer genes and QDM around in pike co., that that is the reason we don't want the AR's. where some people hunt, it may be the only thing that works, but where i hunt in Pike, it will make it worse. if they put AR's in IL i don't think it will be across the entire state, only the counties with low #'s and poor buck genes.
don't you see though WV hunter, we have such good deer genes and QDM around in pike co., that that is the reason we don't want the AR's. where some people hunt, it may be the only thing that works, but where i hunt in Pike, it will make it worse. if they put AR's in IL i don't think it will be across the entire state, only the counties with low #'s and poor buck genes.
But just because you are lucky enough to live in one of the best areas in the country, doesn't mean that it is not an effective and needed tool in other places. If I had to wait on a 125" deer, I would never have killed a buck in my life to date. I may not be the best hunter out there, but I hunt hard and have for a long time. I have killed several mature deer and that is my goal each season. I don't live in Mo, but I can only assume they are doing it there for a reason. I think the biggest thing AR's do, is add to the Doe harvest. Many areas need the doe pop reduced. Some people hunt to hunt, and meat is meat. A doe to them is just as good as a buck.
Another thing I think is a good idea, is earn-a-buck like they do in some states/counties. I would love to see that where I hunt, as there are way to many does.
07-13-2005, 03:56 PM
#28
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Coralville, IA. USA
Posts: 3,802
RE: The great antler debate continues.
if they go with the 125 min. score restriction, then they will have to guve people a bit of a lee way on them. like lets say 10 inches. i never meant for people to have to guess the deers score right on the dot.
If every deer were record-book sized, then there'd be nothing special about taking one and no point to keeping track.It's like grade inflation for deer. A 150" rack isn't worth anything if everyone else has one hanging on their wall too.
I hope that Iowa has the good sense to never change deer hunting to antler hunting.
Mike
07-13-2005, 04:49 PM
#29
Dominant Buck
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ramsey , Indiana
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RE: The great antler debate continues.
ORIGINAL: Buckhunter 17
and forKevin1. i don't care whatyou say about my postor what u quote outof it. for all i know, is thatyou saidthat you didn't like the law and i said i din't either. therefore we can harvest or practice QDM however we want to. if you like killing spikes and forks and what not. go ahead, but i don't and i was expressing my opinion on how i practice QDM. i never once told anyone how they shouldmanage their herd of deer.i shoot what i think is a good deer to harvest and you shoot whatyou think is a good deer.
and forKevin1. i don't care whatyou say about my postor what u quote outof it. for all i know, is thatyou saidthat you didn't like the law and i said i din't either. therefore we can harvest or practice QDM however we want to. if you like killing spikes and forks and what not. go ahead, but i don't and i was expressing my opinion on how i practice QDM. i never once told anyone how they shouldmanage their herd of deer.i shoot what i think is a good deer to harvest and you shoot whatyou think is a good deer.
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about kid , the only reply I've made was to Mobowhunter's starting postand I didn't quote anyone . Park your attitude , I haven't done anything to you .
07-13-2005, 05:33 PM
#30
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 91
RE: The great antler debate continues.
First of all im glad that we still have people involved in hunting that are passionate, regardless of your stance on the issue. Second, Mississippi State conducted research on their 4pt rule and found that in certain parts of the state the overall rack size decreased. To agree with the PA hunters I have seen the rewards of the AR rule. I just try to shoot one a little bigger than my last, by the way I couldn't judge a 125 anyway.
Morty3
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