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atlasman 07-03-2005 01:15 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: shuler44

you came in starting by saying you didnt like how the trophy hunter treated the other guy,
Correct...........do you agree or disagree with the way he was treated?



It's now gotten to things like "shooting a buck on the first day is no challenge" Maybe i shouldent even go on the first day if thats the thining
Can you show me where I said that??..........or are you making things up again

I'll help you out..........What I said was in response to others posts saying that shooting the first buck that walks by is no challenge and it would cut short the whole "whitetail experience". My question was If the lack of a challenge is your reason for passing a young buck at 7:20am opening day..........then why is it any different for a mature buck? If the challenge was truely the reason for not shooting buck A..........then the same would logically hold true for buck B.



and luck...It's a apart of hunting, so i wish people would quite going on about getting a big buck is luck.
You prefer the more dramatic version?

atlasman 07-03-2005 01:23 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: Rack-attack

No man.............LOL....shoot..........SHOOT...Then SHOOT again....:D
So it's not about the challenge then?



but if he is going to walk up to me blind deaf and dumb
Wow that is weird..............I thought that was reason always given for not shooting a young buck.......you know.......no challenge and all ;)



shuler44 07-03-2005 01:23 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
you have to make everything so complicated. No i dont agree with what that guy did, but your worse then he is. If a monster deer walks by you on day one are going to pass it. I wouldent, and i also kill a lot of does. I guess i can make up some of the experience with thiem.

atlasman 07-03-2005 01:28 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: shuler44

you have to make everything so complicated. No i dont agree with what that guy did, but your worse then he is.
How's that?? Please feel free to show me and everyone else where I have told anyone else how they should hunt. Feel free to skip over all my posts quoting me saying I have no problem with the way anyone else hunts as long as it is legal and safe.


If a monster deer walks by you on day one are going to pass it.
Are you even reading the same thread??

buckeye 07-03-2005 01:31 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

I'll help you out..........What I said was in response to others posts saying that shooting the first buck that walks by is no challenge and it would cut short the whole "whitetail experience". My question was If the lack of a challenge is your reason for passing a young buck at 7:20am opening day..........then why is it any different for a mature buck? If the challenge was truely the reason for not shooting buck A..........then the same would logically hold true for buck B.

If common senseis so common I would have thoughteveryone would have it.... Atlas just doesn't get it, nor will he ever get it.

IL-Cornfed 07-03-2005 01:35 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
There seems to ALWAYS be one of these threads going on here. :( Bicker, whine, cry, cry... "meat hunter" vs. "trophy hunter". [:'(] It certainly gets OLD! [:@]

Shut up and HUNT! :)

IL-Cornfed 07-03-2005 01:36 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr

If common senseis so common I would have thoughteveryone would have it.... Atlas just doesn't get it, nor will he ever get it.
BINGO!!!!:D

shuler44 07-03-2005 01:38 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
Yeas i am. Well, you seem to think shooting a buck that walks by first morning is no challenge.Getting a deer on the last day of season is not anymore of a challenge, it just happens that things work out different everytime. You ask what makes you happier with a big racked buck? I think everyone here would be happier to get a big racked buck. They are not as common or easy to get. Im sick of the i hunt for meat thing. I dont shoot "small"bucks, but i got 5 does last year and the Buck i got even had meat on it, it wasent all rack.

rybohunter 07-03-2005 06:14 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: IL-Cornfed

There seems to ALWAYS be one of these threads going on here. :( Bicker, whine, cry, cry... "meat hunter" vs. "trophy hunter". [:'(] It certainly gets OLD! [:@]

Shut up and HUNT! :)
I guess atlas gets bored now and again. If he only practiced what he preached, instead of taking every shot he can at someone who passes on a buck, things might calm down and go away.

Atlas I have a question for you. Do you have a problem with catch and release fishermen? That whole movement got started the same way as people are trying to pass the word about passing on younger bucks.

shed33 07-04-2005 12:28 AM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
Well I am a meat hunter, I get about twice as much meat out of a big ole hawg trophy class buck than a young one! :D:D:D:D:D

atlasman 07-04-2005 08:29 AM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: shuler44

Well, you seem to think shooting a buck that walks by first morning is no challenge.
So now you are atributing other people's statements to me?? You complained about another member "making stuff up" in a post about you..........yet you are on about a 4 post streak of either "making stuff up" about me or thinking I said something that someone else actually said.

If you are reading the same thread then you might want to go a little slower ;)



Getting a deer on the last day of season is not anymore of a challenge, it just happens that things work out different everytime.
So........getting a deer on day 1 is no challenge (not my words)...........and now you say getting a deer on the last day is no challenge...........When is it a challenge?


They are not as common or easy to get.
That is confusing...........if that is really the reason then why do guys try and "push" others to pass small bucks so there will be more older bucks in the woods?? This would make them more common.......and easier to get. Doesn't make sense.


Im sick of the i hunt for meat thing. I dont shoot "small"bucks, but i got 5 does last year and the Buck i got even had meat on it, it wasent all rack.
So what about the guys out there that are lucky if they get one chance at a deer all year?? Should they pass on a 1 1/2 yr old buck even though that may be their only chance at some meat?

buckeye 07-04-2005 09:43 AM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
You know me writing these replys to atlas is really a lost cause. As you can see he does not bother to reply to any of my posts, he just hates me that much [:o]Maybe if he put on his big boy pants today he would take me off ignore.....probably not though.[/align][/align]I think it is hilarious that atlas has to make one of these posts every year trying to make him feel better about himself.[/align][/align]If you ever took a mature buck let alone one with your bow you would know where we are coming from. Perhaps its to hard for you tounderstand never being in the situation? So, maybe your argument would hold more merit if you were speaking from experience.[/align][/align]Any time a thread comes up about passing the buck or scoring deer he crawls out from under his "hidden online status" rock with his barrage of quotes and nonsense rebuttals, then disappears until the next round of pointless quotes and replys.[/align][/align]Have you ever saw him offer help or suggestions in a positive manner in any of his posts? Don't believe me? Look through his recent post list. [/align]

IL-Cornfed 07-04-2005 10:04 AM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
Very good post buckeyebuckhntrand I'm sure most of the folks here havecaught on to his game. Never any informative post, just conflict and confrontation. :(

Sniper151 07-04-2005 10:24 AM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
I believe it comes down to two things. How many deer you have harvested in your lifetime and how much time are you willing to invest to improve. For those who spend just one day in the woods, don't scout and will take the first thing that comes down the trail it's hard for you to understand what a HUNTER is all about. On the other hand, when you have harvested a nice buck each year because you scout, spend hours upon hours in the wood each year, not just the first day of the season and are rewarded with another nice buck, you want to improve your hunting. To me this is being able to harvest not just a buck, but the biggest bruiser in the woods. I have nothing against doe hunting and harvesting smaller buck, but I figure it's just like life. You get out of it what you put into it.

zak123 07-04-2005 10:45 AM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: buckeyebuckhntr

You know me writing these replys to atlas is really a lost cause. As you can see he does not bother to reply to any of my posts, he just hates me that much [:o]Maybe if he put on his big boy pants today he would take me off ignore.....probably not though
Some people just don't like to be proven wrong.



I think it is more challenging to shoot a mature buck over a spike because there are less mature bucks in the woods than spikes.

atlasman 07-04-2005 12:09 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: rybohunter


taking every shot he can at someone who passes on a buck
I have reposted my quote about 5 times already about my feelings on what other hunters do.........it's easy to find. Read it and you will see the error in your above statement.


Atlas I have a question for you. Do you have a problem with catch and release fishermen?
I don't have a probelm with any fishermen or hunter or the way they choose to fish or hunt..........as long as it is safe and legal.



atlasman 07-04-2005 12:14 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: Sniper151

I believe it comes down to two things. How many deer you have harvested in your lifetime and how much time are you willing to invest to improve. For those who spend just one day in the woods, don't scout and will take the first thing that comes down the trail it's hard for you to understand what a HUNTER is all about. On the other hand, when you have harvested a nice buck each year because you scout, spend hours upon hours in the wood each year, not just the first day of the season and are rewarded with another nice buck, you want to improve your hunting. To me this is being able to harvest not just a buck, but the biggest bruiser in the woods. I have nothing against doe hunting and harvesting smaller buck, but I figure it's just like life. You get out of it what you put into it.
So you assume that everyone out there that doesn't chase antlers doesn't scout or put any work into the pre season to have more success come shooting time??






atlasman 07-04-2005 12:15 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: zak123

I think it is more challenging to shoot a mature buck over a spike because there are less mature bucks in the woods than spikes.
I agree.

Why do you think it is then that so many guys want to make it easier by increasing the number of them out there?

zak123 07-04-2005 12:19 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: zak123

I think it is more challenging to shoot a mature buck over a spike because there are less mature bucks in the woods than spikes.
I agree.

Why do you think it is then that so many guys want to make it easier by increasing the number of them out there?

Good question. I don't know the answer to that, because I just found out what this topic is about! :D

atlasman 07-04-2005 12:31 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: zak123


ORIGINAL: atlasman


ORIGINAL: zak123

I think it is more challenging to shoot a mature buck over a spike because there are less mature bucks in the woods than spikes.
I agree.

Why do you think it is then that so many guys want to make it easier by increasing the number of them out there?

Good question. I don't know the answer to that, because I just found out what this topic is about! :D


atlasman 07-04-2005 12:41 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: IL-Cornfed

Very good post buckeyebuckhntrand I'm sure most of the folks here havecaught on to his game. Never any informative post, just conflict and confrontation. :(


http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.as...age=1&key=

Obviously you haven't looked very hard ;)

I offer my opinions and advice on many topics.........I usually stick to subjects on equipment I have first hand experience with like the WB, Stingers, SteelForce, Summit, Bowtech, Butchering etc.

Every bit of info on this site has 20 threads saying the same thing in the search feature so sorry if I don't take part in every single thread that tells people they shouldn't go running after a deer 2 minutes after they shoot it [:o]

rybohunter 07-04-2005 12:44 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

I don't have a probelm with any fishermen or hunter or the way they choose to fish or hunt..........as long as it is safe and legal.
Yea we've heard that a hundred times from you, but what you fail to grasp is that WORD OF MOUTH is how ideas are spread. C&R fishing only spread and became popular today because fishermen told other fishermen, that hey, maybe you don't need to keep every legal fish you catch and someday you may catch several bigger fish. That's all that is going on here.

atlasman 07-04-2005 01:23 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: rybohunter

Yea we've heard that a hundred times from you
Then why does everyone keep asking...........or hinting otherwise?


C&R fishing only spread and became popular today because fishermen told other fishermen, that hey, maybe you don't need to keep every legal fish you catch and someday you may catch several bigger fish. That's all that is going on here.
Apples and Oranges.

1. That is not how I have seen and heard the QDM message spread.

2. C+R is more about numbers then it is about "trophy" fishing.

Double Creek 07-05-2005 02:03 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
The hunting can be SO different from farm to farm, county to county, state to state that putting arbitrary limits on antler size is rediculous. It all boils down to hunting pressure.... If you have a huge farm with little pressure, killing a mature buck really isn't that big of a deal.... You will more than likely get atleast one chance each season..... However, if you hunt heavily pressured public or private land, you may go a decade without having a mature buck in range...... There are way to many variables involved for one guy to look down on another guy...... Each situation is different..... and in the end the old saying rings loud and clear.......... To each his own..... and ..... A Trophy is in the Eye of the Beholder..........

Beyond that the rest is pointless babble.....

I will say this, with my longbow this season, I will shoot any deer that comes with my effective range..... With my compound I will shoot does and any buck over 100 inches

atlasman 07-05-2005 02:30 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: Double Creek

The hunting can be SO different from farm to farm, county to county, state to state that putting arbitrary limits on antler size is rediculous. It all boils down to hunting pressure.... If you have a huge farm with little pressure, killing a mature buck really isn't that big of a deal.... You will more than likely get atleast one chance each season..... However, if you hunt heavily pressured public or private land, you may go a decade without having a mature buck in range...... There are way to many variables involved for one guy to look down on another guy...... Each situation is different..... and in the end the old saying rings loud and clear.......... To each his own..... and ..... A Trophy is in the Eye of the Beholder..........

Beyond that the rest is pointless babble.....

I will say this, with my longbow this season, I will shoot any deer that comes with my effective range..... With my compound I will shoot does and any buck over 100 inches

Well said.

silentassassin 07-05-2005 02:44 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

I will say this, with my longbow this season, I will shoot any deer that comes with my effective range
DC,

I think you meant to say:

I will say this, with my longbow this season, I will shoot AT any deer that comes with my effective range[:-];) :D

Double Creek 07-05-2005 02:47 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
You don't know how right you are Silent..... Thanks for the correction :D:D

I've never been scared to fling a some arrows :D

lou-lou 07-05-2005 10:10 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
Back with a vengence! I must have been on my medication when writing my last thread. Apolgize for nothing, You see what you want to harvest and shoot it, wheather it's a pup or a bull, you have eveyright to do it, that's what is so great about this passion. Of course you going to get hassled about what you shoot unless it's a monster it's been going on for decades, people admire those folks who shoot monsters evey year, but I met a man a long time ago who never killed a monster whitetail and he was the best hunter I've ever seen, this man was my DAD. He wasen't the best at killing deer he was the best because he spent time with me teaching me all his tricks, and sharing momments and indroducing me into the outdoors.

gutshot 07-06-2005 01:14 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
I've always practiced "Catch & Release"Bow Hunting. If I "catch" a deer comingto within bow range I "release" a arrow at it.[:-]

Lucius111 07-06-2005 05:01 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: gutshot

I've always practiced "Catch & Release"Bow Hunting. If I "catch" a deer comingto within bow range I "release" a arrow at it.[:-]
ROFL! I practice the same thing.

I am one of those middle of the road hunters. We, meaning my dad and I, hunt on public game lands. We pretty much take any deer we see because getting a deer can be very tough and seeing a mature "trophy" type deer may happen once every 10 years. I am happy with any good mature deer that i can get. I have shot half-rack spikes to nice 6 pt bucks and was thrilled with everyone of them. Never once was I disgusted with what i shot. Don't get me wrong, hell yeah I would love to shoot a trophy buck, but who wouldn't. I am just not going to commit myself to strictly shooting only trophy bucks when hunting, to me, isn't about the size of the rack on the deer. Everyone should hunt deer the way they want as long as it is legal.

atlasman 07-06-2005 06:00 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: lou-lou

Back with a vengence! I must have been on my medication when writing my last thread. Apolgize for nothing, You see what you want to harvest and shoot it, wheather it's a pup or a bull, you have eveyright to do it, that's what is so great about this passion. Of course you going to get hassled about what you shoot unless it's a monster it's been going on for decades, people admire those folks who shoot monsters evey year, but I met a man a long time ago who never killed a monster whitetail and he was the best hunter I've ever seen, this man was my DAD. He wasen't the best at killing deer he was the best because he spent time with me teaching me all his tricks, and sharing momments and indroducing me into the outdoors.

Darn.............what a GREAT post.

:)

atlasman 07-06-2005 06:02 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 

ORIGINAL: Lucius111

I am one of those middle of the road hunters. We, meaning my dad and I, hunt on public game lands. We pretty much take any deer we see because getting a deer can be very tough and seeing a mature "trophy" type deer may happen once every 10 years. I am happy with any good mature deer that i can get. I have shot half-rack spikes to nice 6 pt bucks and was thrilled with everyone of them. Never once was I disgusted with what i shot. Don't get me wrong, hell yeah I would love to shoot a trophy buck, but who wouldn't. I am just not going to commit myself to strictly shooting only trophy bucks when hunting, to me, isn't about the size of the rack on the deer. Everyone should hunt deer the way they want as long as it is legal.

DARN................2 in a row


stealthman 07-06-2005 06:18 PM

RE: Couple questions for "Trophy" hunters
 
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You can purchase a NR archery tag over the net for less than $200.00 no drawing , no lottery!
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