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Wow! things got a little heated lately, We can argue for ever on this topic, but one fact remains we are all a brotherhood. Raised by our forefathers to enjoy the outdoors and protect it. As we all have different opinions so do we have hunting styles. What is right for one maybe wrong for the other. What ever style you decide it is wrong to think bad of others if they don't argree with you.

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I don't care what anyone shoots. I do hate it when hunters shoot a little buck andwhines about it. That is more of a problem with rifle hunters though then bow. Glad you stuck up for the older gent but don't quite agree with all your reasons.

Passing on young bucks doesn't mean they will be just as dumb as next year. Safe to say I pass on 20 -30 young bucks during bow season before rifle season starts. Most don't live through rifle season. The ones that dowill be tougher to hunt the next year.

Giving them a pass isn't going to get them throughtill next year. I passed a 140 class buck last year just hoping he would make it another year. It was tough letting him walk.Well he made it throughhunting season. We had a very mild winter but westill found him dead when we were shed hunting. He had already shed one side and the other shed was laying beside him. He was either poached or hit by vehicle.Probably the first as thereis only one road in that area and we have a few poachers in this area. It is always a gamble passing on bucks and expect to hunt themthe following year. Anyone thinking you got a dumb buck to hunt the next year is just fooling himself.They don't get big bykilling them when they are young. The older they get, the harder it gets and I get enjoyment out of bowhunting them that way.

Tim

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define " young buck "

define " small bucks "

define " trophy bucks "

define "mature bucks "



Those are NOT universal definitions, they are personal ones, and THAT is why this QDM/Trophy hunting thing will never be for everyone

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I dont think small, young, and mature are opinions. A young deer is...young. Small is small, but i agree with the trophy part.

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Young ........ I see a young deer as being anything 5.5 years and below. You ?

Small is anything below 180" P&Y ......... You ?

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LMAO

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buckeyebuckhntr - I chit you not, some people have the belief that shooting a sub 5 1/2 year old 180' deer is killing a young buck with small antlers.

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That is not what anyone here said. That's what you wanted it to say. Just like always atlas refuses to think outside his little box to see the big picture, only what he wants. Very typical.


I can count on seeing 20 or so different young bucks this season. Many of those I will see multiple times. How many mature bucks can I count on seeing? 0. A hunter sets his standards for what he wants. Many of us set that standard for a mature buck.If you did your homework and had yourself in position and a mature bucks gives a shot opportunity on the first day it is a bittersweet moment. Of course you won't pass the shot because it was "too easy" . That very well could be the only mature buck you see all fall. Tribal could fill you in on that. Ask him if his opening day brute was "too easy".

I do find it rather funny that you still hold a grudge like a child. Grow up:eek:[/align]

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How much of a challenge could it be if the large buck walks by at 7:20 of day 1??

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If that stand took 100 hrs of scouting to find........I would say you done real good.

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Thats right Rack, i scout year around. I just dont go find some tree in the dark on the first day of season and hope for something to walk by. What is your deal anyway, you will shoot anything moving, and that's fine, but why are you trying to argue that shooting "trophy" bucks is wrong. If a monster buck walked in front of you on the first day of season are you saying you wouldent shoot it? If i get a large buck first day thats fine and great, because i still shoot does. And i could shoot a doe a day, but i actually try to look for a mature doe. One year when i was younger i happened to shoot two button bucks, i dont have to worry about doing that no more.

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Datmax
Some people also believe 80 year's old and still ticking.
and that anorexic girls are hot.


anyhow, a one and a half year old buck is young. basket racks are usually small.

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ya'll trophy hunters know that the vast majority of huge bucks killed are by blind luck, right ?

shuler44- wasn't the Hansen buck only a 3.5 year old youngling ? What the hell was Milo thinking shooting a "young" deer that wasn't "mature"

right ?

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rack if you do get a big buck walking by at 720 that shows how good you did scouting and now you can go shoot your gun for the next month

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err, data you like to make things up or something. I never said 3 and half was immature. Where do you get this stuff. I guess you could say almost all small bucks are killed by blind luck if you think most big ones are.

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Your reading too much into it and basing your opinion on your own personal hunting situation.
There are trophy hunters who beg , plead , and whine aboutletting small bucks pass so they can grow ,to anyone and everyone who will listen. I dont think anyone is doing that right here , right now , but it happens every year here. Especially by the trophy hunters who hunt public land. And YES , they do so in the belief that there will be more trophy bucks running around.Dont believe me? Do a search and look up wolfen68's posts.;)

Anyone who says they see more complaining (complaints about trophy hunters)from hunters who shoot small bucks , aren't paying attention. Again , do a search on "let em go so they can grow" etc. and you'll see.

It also appears that some peolple have been hearing what Atlas has been saying , but they haven't been listening to what he's saying. Like myself , he has no problem with trophy hunters who understand and except that everyone does their own thing. The problem lies with the folks who try and cram their personal hunting agenda down everyones throat , all for one reason , bigger antlers.

There are people here on both sides of the fence that I can agree with , and have alot in common with. Myself personally , I do get a great deal of enjoyment from letting small bucks meander underneath my stand , while thinking to myself , I could have had you buddy. But I also realize that I have that privelege , not only with good land , but with the experience of scouting and locating perfect stands that I have under my belt. There are alot of hunters that have been hunting alot longer than me that dont have that knowlege , from lack of obsessive dedication or whatever , who feel tickled pink to get a shot at any buck. Kudos to them if their having fun!

I also dont understand why anyone would shoot a small buck , but complain about it![&:]I haven't seen this myself , but if there are folks who shoot something that their not happy with , then I gotta question their reason for hunting.

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Its a fact most big bucks are killed by luck - the little ones ? Theres a heck of a lot more of them and they're stupider - right ? Anyone can kill a little buck, right ? But those old smart ones .......... no, they stumble most often or you and I would never even see them or know they existed during hunting season. I'd hazard to say 90% of the monster bucks taken were taken by guys who were not hunting big bucks and never knew that big boy existed in the same wood lot.

How can you feel all manly shooting a rut crazed buck chasing a doe ?

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YUP, here we go again. Hunting season must be close. Len and I stopped posting pictures of any new deer after the last big goaround on QDM and the Ethics Posse. We now post non bloody, non discript, non deer photos. You just have to take our word for it that we were happy with it. In fact, I don't think we even say much about killing(oh... EXCUSE ME) "HARVESTING" a deer any more. Sheesh.[&:] The last post with pictures were the year before last. In one, Len was jumped on for shooting two nice 8 points and a doe within 20 seconds with the bow. He was also jumped on for shot selection. We were questioned as to size on some etc etc etc( all of which were legal bucks... BUT... you know People and the Ethics Posse. MInd you, all deer in question and questionable shot selection died within seconds.... but there are those who have to spout there crap so we just play by ourselves with our own toys now. Len put three of these on the ground last week, but you won't see a picture. [8D][8D][8D]So now we just do our thing and have a heck of a lot of fun. You'll have to take our word for what works for us if we tell you.... which we probably won't. Bows don't kill deer..... bowhunters do.;);););)

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The guys b-tching about trophy hunting crack me up. Rut crazed buck!!!! LMAO

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P.S love the pic davidmil. Thats a good one.

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That's my symbolic heart shot. Wouldn't dare show the real thing you know.[&:]

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Man this thread has gotten crazy. I see each sides point and although I try and hold out for the larger mature buck doesn't mean I think everyone should hold themselves to the same standards. I also agree with the statement that a trophy to a individual doesn't necessarily mean a 5 and a half year old 170''+ buck. Well I just wanted to stop and say this thread has shed light on alot of peoples beliefs and has been very interesting. Keep hunting and above all keep having fun..:D;):)

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Rack-attack is right, if you do your homework and work hard for it you deserve it, it could be the first day or the last day. Fact is , you bust your a## in preseason you are entitled to reap the benefits. I'm all for hard work out there to find deer, the bugs the sweat, the time. A trophy is in the eyes of the hunter, We are always looking for ways to up our game so to speak, I admire some of the guys who hold out all season for a 30 second chance at old mossy horn, me I put well over 200 hours in the stand bowhunting alone, 4 hours in the morning and 4 hours in the afternoon all season long everyday. I have yet to learn the disipline to hold out and get nothing at the end of the season and be ok with it. I cannot and will not ever put down those guys in search of a goal what ever it may be. To me after thinking about it I was a hipocrit of those guys who just wanted to shoot a mature deer or trophy , I guess I was jealous of those select few that can do it year after year. Someday I'll be there too and probably have the same views as threads before. Please accept my apologizes.

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davidmil

You are still a crotchety old fart.:D Life is good as I always got a kick out of your posts/replies on this forum and the other one years back. Never thought I would see the day you gave in to the QDMers and the Ethics Posse. Go kill some deer and post pics. Lasttime I checked, we did indeed kill deer with our bows. Harvesting was for crops and there is a combine in the picture. Most of theQDMers and ethics poosewill be lucky to evenknow halfas much as you have forgotten over the years when it comes to bow hunting.

I remember the original heart shot pic you used to post. It surely can't be any worse then this picture with them white chicken legs of your's. Should be a law against posting pictures like that!! :D:D:D:D

Tim

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datamax

If small is anything under 180... I want to come hunting in your area. I've spent a lot of years watching and hunting deer here. I can only remember two bucks that would probably push the 170 mark. QDM won't put 180 class bucks in an area where the genetics for 4pts ( western count )runs rampant which we have in this area.

3.5 to 4.5 years old is an old deer here. QDM is an interesting concept but a farse in all reality when talking age structure of the buck population and hunters in general in my area. Since most hunters can't tell the difference between a 3.5 and 6.5 old buck... pushing QDM would be a waste of time here in that respect. Most hunters here still see bucks as bigor small. Most have no concept on aging them. Most have to filltheir bucktag or they feel they have failed.

I do agree with you.... that it is a personal choice in our quest for bucks. What works for me might not be your cup of tea. Neither is wrong if it is legal hunting. I don't force my opinion on anyone. I will give it though just like anyone else. I see your not afraid to give your opinion either. :D

Tim

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Seems rare, but still a pleasure when I get to see gray hairs put to good use.:D

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What if it didn't?............then you don't shoot because it was no challenge and you don't want to miss out on the whole "whitetail" experience?

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Please show me where I said either one of those things.


Maybe he saw your above quote and was just trying to keep up ;)

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yeah but you have to wait for those big bucks to come
nice kill davbid mill

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Atlasman I didn't get around to reading any of the replies to your original post but applaud what you wrote.Excellent post and I agree 100 percent with all of what you wrote.I hunt for the freezer number one,antlers horns or tusk's are a bonus.Thank for a great post..

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No man.............LOL....shoot..........SHOOT...Then SHOOT again....:D

For 99.9% of us that situation may happen once in a lifetime....................Heck I love a hard season......but if he is going to walk up to me blind deaf and dumb once every 30 yrs...................I will wack em for the team:D

And if someone has that happen to em every-year...........good for them - they are doing something right.(or something very wrong[:o][8D]);)...............won't effect what I consider a shooter

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I've been a "trophy hunter" ever since I was in junior high. I've never really had any desire to shoot small bucks and/or immature animals. Thats just the way I've always been. I only want to harvest the biggest and oldest bucks that I can, if one dosent present itself then I would rather go home empty handed and fire up a steak.

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tx,. come to wyoming and whitetail hunt on some public ground...see how many steaks u get to eat![X(]

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Manboy, thats ok I love eating T-Bones.

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TJF I saw one of, if not THE biggest whitetail I've ever seen in northern SD - that country has muleys and whitetails both and with the open prarie they grow huge. Not a great population when I hunted up there, but some HUGE bucks

TXhighrackWhy hell, when you got 'em all penned up with high fences why not wait and shoot the 'ol big boys ? :D

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datamax

That doesn't help me since I hunt quite a bit north of there in ND. :( They do have somehogs down there though. We had a mild winter with a lot of food for the deer. Maybe this is the year I can break 150. Seeing a lot of good bucks in my hunting area while scouting.3 of them tonight got the heart a pumping alittle. Ok I was just plain arse drooling. Come on Sept 1st!!

Say since a 150 classis a big buck up here, I suppose I don't qualify as a trophy hunter??:( ;) :D

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define " young buck " - kid who you can still buffalo with a straight face

define " small bucks " - what everybody else shoots

define " trophy bucks " - the one I just pulled the trigger on

define "mature bucks " a trophy buck whose antlers have suffered sever ground shrinkage

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I have no problem with trophy hunting or trophy hunters, until they start beating up on an older gent who just likes to hunt. I wait for bigger bucks myself but would congratulate the old guy on any legal buck he took. I think senior hunters should be permitted any deer of their choosing, no restriction. Yea, that's right, I said it.

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Exactly!!! I believe thats what this thread was about.

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you came in starting by saying you didnt like how the trophy hunter treated the other guy, but its been just about the opposite here with you. It's now gotten to things like "shooting a buck on the first day is no challenge" Maybe i shouldent even go on the first day if thats the thining, and luck...It's a apart of hunting, so i wish people would quite going on about getting a big buck is luck. Its not, it's not shooting the first thing that walks by most of the time. Shoot what you want i dont care what you do.