Keep Mathews or buy new PSE
 

I was thinking about buying the new PSE Vengeance. But i would have to sell my Mathews outback to get it (the Boss said to) if you know what i mean. Would it be worth it. I would like too get a few opinions first before i drive 2hrs to shoot the Vengeance

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Are you kidding me. Stay at home man!!!!!!!

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Stay with Mathews hands down!!!!!!!

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Thats like saying "should i keep the Ferarri or test drive the Impala"

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go with the pse there just as good and in my opinon better than mathews and i know ill get eaten out for sayin it. and i would recomend the venom or scroipion pse instead of the vengenace. but that my opion. mathews makes a good bow but most people by them for the name

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This is a no-brainer. I don't even like Mathews but that's what I'd keep.

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It's all a matter of opinion on this topic ,If you like your Mathew's then keep it, but there's no better feeling than getting a new bow and I really like the the new Vengeance it look's sweet although I've never shot it ,but I'm sure it's as good as any .It's your choice ,I'm sure once you shoot it a couple of time's you'll know for sure whether it's the right thing to do or not .Good luck and I'd say it's well worth the test drive .

nubo

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I agree, there is now way I would give up nearly ANY bow for a PSE??? NO WAY! Keep the Outback man!

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PSE makes a good bow...IF you shoot one take your mathews with you. shoot both with a video camera on you and tell me which one is louder...Let me help its the PSE without a doubt. Stick with your mathews.

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How many of you have actually shot the Vengeance?

Well I have.. and it's one sweet bow. Would I trade an outback in for one? You bet... if it fit me better and I liked it more. Screw the name that's on the bow... shoot what you like.

I love how everyone says to go and shoot all the bows and pic the one that fits you best... and then someone makes this post and everyone tells them to stick w/ the bow w/ the more popular name. Like it or not.. the top 3 bow companies are Mathews, Hoyt, and PSE.. With Bowtech a close 4th.

I have ordered my dad a PSE Vengeance and there's a 3-6 wk backorder on them due to the overwhelming popularity of this bow. It's extremely smooth w/ decent speed.. just what my father was looking for. He shot the Vengeance right next to the Parker Phoenix 34 and the Vengeance was much smoother and just as fast. I think PSE has a real winner w/ these new hybrid cams.

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You never heard that from me Kbacon ,I stick with what advice I would alway's give ,you got to try it in order to know what you like best .That's my motto and I'm sticking to it LOL.

nubo

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If you want to keep the wife happy and have extra money for stands and other goodies Keep the OutBack. It's great bow that shouldnt need to be replaced this early.No sense in spending what you dont have to.;)

Plus nobody in a Zillion years will ver convince me PSE makes a good bow.....:D But hey thats me......[8D]

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hawgz buy a pse and shoot it for a season. that will convence u

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i shoot stuff.........

For some reason I would quit before that.....:(

But like I said it's a "me" thing.........[8D]

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I held a outback at the shop to see how it felt it was a ton of bricks. Go look at the pse i shoot a parker and can get 2 point from perfect with it. if you took all the names off a bow there would be alot of people getting new bows. How could pse stay in bussnes if the made a bad bow. They are cheap so what they have there own top class bows. They're in for the new hunters who aren't going to pay 700 hundred for a bow. You could sell your mathews and have some money left over after the new bow mabey. Could take the (boss) out to eat.

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I have to agree with kbacon

I guarantee that most of you who said to keep the outback have never even shot the Vengeance. (probably never even seen one)

I personally own a Vengeance and its the best bow I've shot. I don't think that the name on the bow should make the decision, it should be how good it feels to you. Remember, everyone is different.

Go and shoot it, if it feels better trade in the outback, if not then keep it.

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Have you actually shot the Outback?:eek:

I could care less what brand anyone shoots , they all make great bows.

This is what has me curious...
Is there something you dont like about the Outback that has you looking into another new bow the following year?[&:]
Imo if your having trouble shooting good with the Outback (providing everything is setup and tuned properly) then you may have to look at what style (specs) of bow your shooting. If your fairly tall with a long draw you may want to avoid the shorter AtA bows all together. If your not confident with your current setup then I can pretty much guarantee that the PSE Vengeance is'nt going to be any different. The specs of the two bows are almost identicle.

Outback

Ata - 31 1/2"
Brace height - 7 5/8"
Weight - 4.3lbs
IBO 308fps

Vengeance

AtA - 34 1/2"
Brace height - 7 5/8"
Weight - 4.2lbs
IBO 308fps

I dont care what anyone says I dont see that as an upgrade , I'm not saying it's a downgrade either , I just dont see the logic. Both bows can and do shoot awesome when properly fit with the right archer.
Maybe you need to shoot some longer AtA bows with decent brace heights and see how they feel (whatever the brand)?[&:]

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You really didn't expect to get any other answers than the ones you got to this post, did you? :D

Keep the Matthew's, buy the PSE and rotate your line up and have a great time. They hold their value. If you want to retire a bow build a trophy case and display it along with it's achievements. For a good time bring it out of retirement and show all the new guys on the team how it's done.

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bowfanatic, as odd as this sounds, i shoot the outback just fine (for my standards). i also shoot my old bow just as well. i am sure that my wife will agree that i get caught up in this archery rat race with all this new technology and stuff. i guess i should have just asked what the vengeance was like rather than comparing the two bows.That being said i might try too talk the "boss" into going with nodog's advice.Icant help myself anymore when it comes too new gadgets in the archery world

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Nuff said.

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mathews the name says it all, top quality and performance, much to some dissmay they are the best out there in my opinion. Keep it , if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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wait a minute, wait a minute... did you just say bowtech was 4TH behind PSE??? you need some help...

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[quote]ORIGINAL: YoungSpike


Think about it. Bowtech only produces high end bows and therefore only sells to the market that can afford them. PSE on the other hand makes bows for all price ranges and therefore sells bows to people of all price ranges. Larger Market!!

Some people have no common sense.

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I truly feel bad for the "bow snobs" who thumb up their noses and the brand name PSE. Pse makes great products and very reasonable prices.

Just keep paying for those centerfold advertisements with you $700.00 bows;)

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Yes I did... I personally shoot a Bowtech.. and it's now my 3rd one and I absolutely love them. But like it or not PSE is the best selling bow on the market hands down... Followed by Mathews, Hoyt, and Bowtech... Not nec in that order. And like I said in my earlier post.. I've shot the new PSE lineup and I've been very impressed. Hence why I ordered my father a new Vengeance... It's soo smooth and just a great all around bow. And for the person that asked earlier.. yes I've shot the Mathews Outback.. and was less than impressed. It's a nice bow.. but more of the same cookie cutter stuff Mathews has been spitting out for the last few years. The PSE is smoother and easier to draw than the Outback.. so I personally find the Vengeance to be a better bow.. as far as I'm concerned.

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Can you back that statement up with some facts?:eek:

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Bowfanatic... it's a well known fact. The people that frequent the msg boards only make up a very small percentage of the hunting population. I work at the local Gander Mtn where we sell PSE, Parker, Darton, Storm, Kodiak, Bear, Browning, Martin, ect.. line of bows. We sold 5 times more PSEs than we did anything else. Alot of customers have never heard of alot of the other brands.. even Mathews. They come in asking for PSE... the recognize the name PSE.. they can afford the PSE.. they buy the PSE. Alot of these people come in wanting to replace their old bow.. and balk at the $500+ price on bows... Not to mention you can call up and order PSE out of any catalog that you pick up. Believe what you want... but this is just the way it is.

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Again...any facts? Links? Mathews has been #1 in sales for a few years now.

Not saying that makes Mathews any better than any other bow. I just like to see some facts regarding bold statements tossed out , especially when the statements dont coincide with popular knowlege among the bowhunting industry.

Our local Gander Mountain just happens to sell more Martins and Parkers than anything else.

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This is right off of Bowtech's website: BowTech is the fastest growing bow company in history, increasing in revenue every year since 2000 to become the fourth largest bow company in the world.

Notice it says fourth largest. Who do you think hold the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd spots?

Wow! You must know something bowtech doesn't. You better tell them to update their website. ;)

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You mean don't coincide with popular knowledge among Mathews owners.

If you're so quick to tell someone they are wrong about pse why don't you throw out some facts?

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Maybe they've been the #1 selling bow among Mathews owners... but what about the rest of us that aren't sheep? Why do Mathews owners buy a new Mathews every year when they are the "best bow ever"???
"Oh my god.. they put a roller guard on it.. I gotta have it..."
"Oh boy.... they threw last years cam on an 8yr old Feathermax riser and called it the Classic... "
"Oh my... look at this new technology.. they put Outback limbs on a LX riser and threw an extra weight in the cam... gotta have that too"

PSE sells more bows than any other manufacturer hands down... PSE Nova is the best selling bow ever produced.

As far as our sales at our Gander.. in order of best to worst selling bows at our store PSE, Parker, Martin, Bear, Kodiak, Darton, Storm...

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Now that we've peeled the bannana to see whats really inside! Thanks , you've just removed any credibility without my help. Another Mathews basher.

Not that it matters in anything whatsover in determing who makes a quality bow (which they all do) , but do you have those facts yet?

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http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showth...41#post1247641

I'm not a basher.. just a non believer.

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At least you've admitted that mathews is not the only one to make quality bows.

Heres your facts:

PSE website - "PSE, as the industry's leading manufacturer, holds twenty patents for bow design and archery products."
- "Today, Pete heads the largest privately owned archery equipment manufacturing company in the country."

Bowhunting.net - "PSE is the world's largest manufacturer of archery equipment."

Whitetail.com - "Matt McPherson and his Mathews, Inc., which is one of the world's largest makers of bows."

I could not find one source that regarded Mathews as the largest manufacturer of bows. However, whenever PSE is mentioned in any credible and respected publication they are said to be the largest manufacturer of archery equipment in the world.

The only time I ever here about Mathews being number 1, is when it is coming out of the mouth of an ignorant Mathews owner. Now, I'm not saying that all of you that own Mathews bows are ignorant, but those of you that are, know who you are. Niether am I bashing Mathews products, I firmly believe that Mathews makes a quality bow. I simply think people should have their facts straight before giving advice and making comments about who's the leader of what.

I personally respect all bow manufacturers because they all try their damndest to put out a quality product.

For those of you that, for some reason have a vendetta against PSE, why don't you try out their high end bows before flapping your jaws and comparing them to other companies.

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I'm shocked to see that you shoot a PSE!

I can just as easily post numbers that indicate Mathews as being number one in sales $$$. Theres a difference in sales dollars vs volume. No one can argue that PSE isn't larger. Mathews has one shop in Sparta Wisconsin. PSE is much bigger. And dont give the BULSHIRT about the #1 in sales dollars coming from Mathews shooters. It's been in every fricken hunting mag over the last five years or so that I even got sick of seeing it.

As for PSE's cheapest bow being the number 1 seller? I dont doubt that , but do any of you want to seriously debate the quality of the Nova on the technical forum? My wife and her sisters bought one for my father in law a couple years ago. Paid a little over $200 for one. I'm not afraid to say here or anywhere that the Nova is the biggest piece of crap I've ever had the misfortune of setting up for anyone!

This whole debate started when another Mathews basher had to pop in and spew their typical garbage , and yet another. I wouldn't have stuck around otherwise , I get a kick out of your type.

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Remember when PSE got sued for copying Mathews Cam? Now they are trying to copy their limb suppressors! What does that tell you? I can see how PSE could be the #1 selling bow, as was stated, they are readily available and offer bows in all price ranges. However, I am sure that alot of people who are buying them are just fly by night spur of the moment people who have decided to take up bow hunting.These people are not going to spend the money to buy a top end bow. I would also bet that all bows sold to die hard seasoned bow hunters, who want the Best equipment, Were the higher end bows like Mathews, Hoyt and Bow Tech.I could understand if you were new to bow shooting and wanted to start out with something less expensive until you decide whether you liked it or not, but like TeeJay said, You're already drive'in the Ferrari, why switch to the Impala?

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I'd like to see you get credible sales numbers from Mathews that could be compared with credible numbers from PSE.

As for being a Mathews basher, I have a lot of respect for their product (as mentioned before). I just bash arrogant people who give other people bad advice, whether that arrogant person is a mathews owner, pse owner, bowtech owner .... etc.

As for rob1's comment, you're just one of those people who has never even shot a high end PSE because if you had you wouldn't be calling it an Impala.

This whole thing started when ignorant people who have never even shot the Vengeance, started telling mike838 which bow was better.

The only thing I wanted to get out of this argument, was for those of you bashing other bow companies to realize that it is not about the name on the bow, it's how comfortable the person shooting that bow feels. There are plenty of people who have shot the new Mathews switchback and weren't impressed, as is there are plenty of people who have shot the new PSE Vengeance and weren't impressed. The point is people need to quit trying to tell other people which bow they will like, it's up to that person. However, it does not seem like I'm changing any minds, so just keep giving bad advice. Maybe you can get more people to buy mathews by shaming them into it.

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See my first post!!:eek:

"Shaming people into buying Mathews"?
I cant speak for every poster on this thread but I believe that the majority were doing something typically called smack talk. Something that some folks seem to have a real hard time handling. If somebody would have jumped in at the beginning of the thread and said "buy the PSE , it's the caddilac and Mathews is the pinto" , you probably would have responded with a smiley face , if you would have responded at all!

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last year i bought a 2000 hoyt aspen never used and i like it a lot. however i saved up some money this year and was thinking about buying a new bow. however i only had about $450 to spend. so i looked hard at the pse line. however once i shot the bows i wasn't all that impressed. they where a little quicker then my hoyt however where louder and i couldn't shoot it nearly as good the vengeance was the one i liked the most but still i couldn't see buying it when i had a bow i shot better. the way i saw it the pse line looked a lot better on paper.

i would tell you to shoot the pse line of bows and if you like it better sell the mathews and buy the pse however if you are like me chances are you will keep the mathews.

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Forget all that and get a a Bowtech:D