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hi,
I was wondering if anyone has any suggestion about what broadheads to get.
any brands or type of broadheads to stay away form??

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Lots of good ones out there. Among the fixed heads - the Muzzy, Slicktrick, Montec, Hellrazor, and Magnus Stinger all seem to work well. The only two expandables I have personally used are the NAP Spitfire and the Rage. Had generally good luck with the Spitfire, although one caught at weed once one its way to a turkey and got turned a little sideways. The Rage 2 blade, with limited experience this season, are looking very promising for deer. And one of my buddies and his wife (these two should be on Dream Season) both use the Rocket Wolverines out of their Bowtechs with excellent results.

Might I suggest you go through the archives on this site. There is a wealth of information on the subject.

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thanks i'll try that

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i love rage, they have ben vary good to me...shot right through a rib cage bone on my last back and made a blood trail that i could fallow from sitting inmy stand...im still on my first rage i've shot 3 deer with the same broadhead

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Depending on your setup's kinetic energy,I like rocket aeroheads hammerhead and rage 3 blade,and razorcaps for fixed blade cut-on-contact.

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G5 strykers, like shooting scalpels.

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NAP Spitfire...

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Slick Tricks are the Best replaceable blade broadhead I have used in 40 years of Bowhunting. Others on top of my list would be.
1. G5 Striker
2. NAP, they have always made a quality head
3. Spitfire XP's if expandables are your thing
4. Muzzy's
I prefer 4 blade heads because the more you cut the better;)

Dan

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I agree with Dan-MeanV2. Slick Tricks are the best fixed blade out there.
Please do the deer a favor and do not shoot mechanicals unless you follow these tips:
Your bow is set for at least a 65lb draw and you practice alot and can place an arrow perfectly out to 25yds.
These Rage and other mechanicals lose far too many deer due to poor penetration unless there is sufficient kinetic energy to drive the mechanical deep. In my honest opinion, if it were up to me, mechanicals would be outlawed period!
Shoot a fixed blade that has a great reputation. Even if you draw only 50lbs, you'll pass through on most shots.
You and we owe that to these magnificent creatures we love so much. Deer should never be "lost" to the failure of mechanicals![:@]

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I agree mechanical broadheads are no good![:@]

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Outback Supreme Single Bevel, they are .043 thick with a Rockwall 51 hardness.

One very tough broad head that stays razor sharp even after a dozen shots into a broad head target.

Plus they do leave a very nice entrance/ exit hole:D

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I use NAP Thunderhead Broadheads, G5 Tekan II, and Grim Reaper Razortip - 125-grain.

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You can check out my website. I have a lot of free info on how to pick a head tuning etc. www.broadheadtests.com

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well i have shot two satellite and muzzy both very good and cheap too.

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Thank God your not the BH police.

I don't know whereyou get you facts in regards to Rage BHs losing deer and not getting penetration.
With the deer I've shot and seen shot they do an unbelievable job in regards to the holes (damage) they create and penetration they deliver. I also have read story after story after story in this forum and other forums of the consistent devastation the Rage BH has done.

And by the way you DON'T need 65lbs to shoot a Rage!

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I ask you to prove that with reasonable fact! This year, the Rage has become the hottest topic in my buddy's bow shop. He even tried them until his Ohio trip went bust becuase of a failed Rage BH on a super shooter buck in the high 150 range!
When I'm there for coffee or to buy stuff, all the customers get to know one another and share stories of their adventures. The Rage has become the topic surrounding far too many lost deer and big bucks lost as well! The older fellas who shoot 50-60lbs are not getting any penetration from the Rages. Neither are the pros on the hunting channels. Watch their shots; half an arrow in the deer even at close range! As far as I'm concerned, half an arrow is not good enough to be reliable all the time. The deer deserves to be killed quickly, not lost or crippled because a broadhead didn't make it all the way through the vitals. Some one lungers die, many live...

If I were the BH Police, I can personally think of about 20 deer that would be really dead, not crippled or lost because of " fad" broadheads.[:'(] I'll stack my Slick Tricks up against any Rage shooter any day with money on the table. :D

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We'll agree to disagree.

But must we always blame the BH. Maybe, just maybe, it might be the person behind the bow. That is why every BH has lost a deer or 2.

As a dealer out of Southern MN told me today, "the Rage is the BEST mariginal hit broadhead out there and nothing elsecomes close." So actually the Rage BH will help find more deer than cripple.

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Not a closeup but I think you can get an idea what kind of hole a 4 blade Slick Trick leaves. This 06 Mulie was shot at 50+ yards and went only 40 yards. I love it when I see'em crash:DHope to add an 07 Mulie to my wall in December;)

Dan

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Yup - that's a big hole alright. And nearly perfect shot placement.

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Even a Blind Hog finds an acorn once in a while if he stays under the Oak tree;)

Dan

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Lets be honest here. Has anyone so far heard anything bad about the slicktricks? How about the g5 strykers? Muzzy? Ok forget the muzzy. Any other fixed blade have anyone complain about opening on impact? Penetration? Now, lets move on to the mechanicals. The complaints are endless, yet some swear by them. How about this, tune your bow, practice shooting, and dont take low percentage shots. Do all 3 of these and there is no reason for you to shoot a mechanical. One less working part to malfunction. When you do your part, why would you leave the result up to something that has a chance of not working properly?

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I was using the NAP Spitfire but was disappointed in the last harvest (no blood trail). I'm using G5 Montecs now and will report findings as soon as the big one steps into view.

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How do you like the Razortips??

Mat

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I love G5 Montecs. I have shot 2 deer with the same one. They are extremely easy to sharpen.

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I have never needed to play around with broadheads. When i bought my bow 8 years ago i bought a package of NAP thunderhead 85. I wanted to shoot a light arrow and i have used the same package of 6 ever since. I havent even sharpened them once either. And yes i have taken deer with them. I havent lost a deer or missed a shot since i bought that package of broadheads and bow. The Bow is a Jennings Buckmaster 2000. I will be retiring it to Bowfishing thisupcoming 2008and getting a Bowtech for bowhunting.

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While I will agree with you thatI think fixed positions blades are better than mechanical bladesI disagree with your attitude about if it was left up to you and making them illlegal, the right to make that choice is what makes this country so great with that kind of attitude maybe we should all have to drive a ford,a white one,or everyone shoot a pse ,or carbon express,get the point?

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I would like to answer your last question.

I use the Rage 2 blade and it works properly EVERYTIME and they aremore devastating than the broadheads you named above.

And by the way, yes, I have heard problems and bad things about the heads you named above but I chose not to bash other heads. I'd rather talk about how devastating the Rage 2 blade is.

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Rage 2 blade is a 2" cut, a 4 blade 1 1/8" heads cuts 2 1/4":DWhich is more devastating?

You figure it out;)

Dan

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Annika, you missed my point, maybe I didnt explain it right. Except for sharpness right out of the box, on a properly set up bow, there is nothing else that can malfunction on a fixed blade broadhead. Not so on a mechanical. After all the time and preparation I go through, I would rather the problem be pilot error rather than equipment malfunction. Fixed blade = oneless thing to not work properly.












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I would argue that there gets to be a point of diminishing return as the number of blades goes up. Why not a 6 blade head with a 3/4" cut - total of 2 1/4"of cutting surface? In fact, I would argue that a four blade head with a 1 1/8" cut is only marginally better than a three blade head with a 1 1/8" cut. The issue is the severity of the bleeding the broadhead causes. Those great big holes that you can stick four fingers into are going to drain a lot of blood in a hurry. We can argue theoretical broadhead performance until the cows come home, but I'm seeing these Rage two blade heads putting animals on the ground consistently quicker than anything else out there. My only concern is the possibility of something going amiss due to the mechanical nature of the head. When it opens like it should, which appears to be a very high percentage of the time, they seem to be working like gangbusters.

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Here's my take. Have always shot thundeheads. This year I tried g5 montecs. I've never lost a deer. First 2 deer this year were lost with the first being hit twice. The second I found after 16 hours just because I wanted to know what happened. Arrow entered on a perfect 20 yrd broadside shot and exited out the far back leg. I stopped using them at once. Went back to thunderheads and am back to usuall.3 deer taken with 2 poor shots none going more than 40 yrds after the shot.

There are reasons why the head failed. The most important is they are not nor can they ever be razor shap unless they are changed. The cutting angle of something razor sharp is between 14 and 20 degrees. The g5 is 60. I don't believe any of the heads similar to them are any different. HellrazorsandSlicktricks included.

These words are very true: A razor sharp head is a must and can make bad shots recovered animals.

FWIW Spitfires have been proving that they do very well. People are recovering game using them at a very high rate.

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Good argument but it hardly applies to 2 blade versus 4 blade. I'll take a hole anyday over a slit. Lots of Good broadheads out there, use what turns your crank;)

Dan

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nodog if you think Tricks are not Razor sharp then you haven't used them:D

Dan

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First of all, Roskoe, Your thoughts were right along with mine.I was actually going to use 12 1/2" blades to equal 3". Sounds impressive but would make a very small hole.

Second, I've shot 5 deer this year and all have gone down within 10 yards no matter where I hit the deer. (I'm kidding)

Come on people lets get realistic. Why is every deer, no matter what BH you use and love always go down within 30-40 yards.

I've shot roughly 40 deer in my 26 years of bowhunting. Mostly good hits (double lung or heart)but some not soand I can think of only 2 that went down within 40yards.

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Not kidding at all. All 3 this year have. I believe the razor sharp head deserves the credit. Only one a double lung. One back and through the liver and one in the back leg hitting the artery. Watched all fall. All suffered massive blood lose. Chuck Adams wrote an article recently declaring the same thing. I could have shot them again and I did one with my 36 yrd pin. It was already done. I didn't want to see it get up.The liver shot went about 20 from where it was hit. The first 2 only walking off after the hit. They never knew I was there. TheD lung ran and fell quickly. The 2 hit with g5's went for hundreds of yards. Never found the first and the second went several hundred yards. The first had been hit with 2 arrows. Left with one still in it. A quartering away shot that should have exited the far shoulder, deflected off a rib and ran right along the cage. Steped up and I gave it a 25 yrd broadside.

My rig is also very quiet. Even thedeer I've missed this year never heard the shot. I think that has something to do with them not running far off.

40 yrds is just a rough term. I didn't measure it but I know what it is. The deer weren't 60-65 yards out and were shot from around 20-25. Seems like 40 to me. Could have been 41. Whatdo you think would be more accurate? 50? 60? 70?:eek:

No head with a 60 degree edge can be razor sharp. When they start using them in surgery, I'll change my mind. If a slick trick is sharpened by laying it flat on a stone, it has 3 equal sides 120,120,120 with 2 60 degree edges making one. Put a 60 degree edge on a knife and see what happens. Nothing buta sharp splitting wedge. No axe. Prone to deflection.

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My brother has shot deer with thunderheads and they took only a step, looked around and fell over. That's stealthy.

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nodog, it's obvious you nothing about Tricks or their blade angles;)

NAP makes a great head, I've said that before, but The Slick Trick is the best replaceable blade broadhead I've used in 40 years of bowhunting.

Dan

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You could be right. Have been aroundsince they came out and heard plenty of guys complain about their sharpness althoughI haven't for a few seasons. If they are replaceable you wouldn't be sharpening them as mentioned and they don't fit the description. I did use that 2 letter word "if". My point is if you have somethingmeasurable, it takes the guess work out of it. If applied things are quickly eliminated. I could have just described the heads and left the names out From the description people could use the info to determine what a good head verses a bad one according to my O would be.

As far as to their effectiveness, the trickshaven't been time tested like the thunderhead has. Give the tricks a few decades and will see.;)I don't know how many animals have fallen and been recovered to the TH, but I'm sure the numbersare staggering.

The spitfires mention were based on a study conducted by someone who tests them. He puts them through hell. I'm sure he's tested the tricks, I just never looked.

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if you are shooting animals with USED, UN-resharpened, broadheads, you are irresponsible AND setting yourself up for failure. The animals deserve better than you being too cheap to buy sharp blades for 10 bucks[:'(]

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AMEN!!:D

nodog, I do replace my blades;)That makes them replaceable blade broadheads. I don't know what you are talking about[&:]I'm not sure you do either;)

Dan