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So how's the Enigma working out for everyone that has purchased it? Just curious to hear some field results, mainly now that the leaves are starting to drop.

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One word could sum it all up. Super! Each and every time I step into the woods my Enigma continues to impress me. On numerous occassions I have had deer within 20 yards of me and never know I was there. They all seemed to look at me like they were "looking right through me." It is the best way I can think to describe it. 2 nights ago I had a button buck run into 10yards from me responding to a grunt call and stand there looking at me eye to eye and never knew I was there. He just casually walked away I have even snuck into 15 yds on a flock of turkeys, and the only reason they new I was there was I stepped on and broke a stick. I have a ton of stories just like this. It seems like I come home with another story like these every time I step into the field.

As far as quality and toughness of the clothing, I have used and abused mine on purpose and they still look as good as the day I got them. No fading at all. And this is through numerous washings (I normally wash my hunting clothes every other day) I have even worn my Enigma in the rain and can attest that it is extremely water resistant. I have permenently put away my rain gear because I see no need for it unless I'm in some kind of monsoon. I am currently working on a full report complete with test photos. So as they say on tv, stay tuned for more information. But so far I am nothing but impressed. Top notch custom made hunting clothes costing half that of those with the same quality in a camo pattern that truly works.:D

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I totally agree, I am truly impressed to this point with the results of wearing Enigma in front of deer, animals for that matter. I'm reading guys on here walking up on turkeys, even getting shots.

I personally have had excellent results and have not been picked out a single time thus far wearing Enigma. I've purposely moved, waved my arms at a maternal doe to see her reaction. I had to get down and she wouldn't leave. She looked at me when I moved, when I stopped, she looked away. I waved like a bird, she looked and when I stopped, she looked away. This was from 52 yards.

Two of us, two 200lb guys sitting side by side in an oak, 6 deer, 3 buck, a doe and 2 fawns 50 yards down wind, trying to find us, didn't...the doe looked up one time, looked away, never looked back.

Nothing but positive reactions from everyone I'm reading, zero busts so far.

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Funny , but it looks just like Army issue 3 color desert camo in a different palette to me , and sometimes it looks like Predator without the hard contrast . Either way , it doesn't look all that special . Pass .

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It doesn't matter what the pattern looks like to me and you unless you're trying to hide from someone while in the woods. What matters is what it looks like or doesn't look like to deer....right?

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K, you can pass, I could care less but it is special, the reviews are coming in with incredible stories from turkey to predators to deer, elk and bear not seeing it or ignoring it once they do look. Simply put, it works fantastically and I'm more impressed with each encounter I have while wearing it. Yesterday I had Red foxes come by my stand all day. I even took pics and never once spooked one, even when I intentionally got them to look at me either by moving or making sounds with my mouth. I got a glance, they never spooked or determined what I was. That's not easy to do with foxes. I've had them bolt immediately upon visual wearing other camos.

So, it's special, maybe not to you but to me, it's becoming more and more special with each experience. I'm happy to report that as it's all about testing it out, trying new things and seeing if they work. This camo DOES...

And the fabric, the most special on the market, Wolfskin is simply amazing. The features and product itself, special as well.

:D

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Well, I could go on and on, but I'll try to keep it brief. I've shot 2 doe this year, one from a distance of 12 yards. Never spotted. I've walked up on turkey, stalked turkey, and even missed a couple turkeys.......But that's not the camo's fault. Just this past weekend I was set up next to an open, brushy bottom field and had a 6 pointer merely 10 yards from my tree. Now, I like to be at least 20 feet high, but I just couldn't do it in this tree, so I was only 12 feet up. That buck NEVER knew I was on the planet. He never saw me. Also this weekend I had a flock of turkey approach my stand. I had to climb down to get them to leave, but the neat part is that I decended half way down the tree before they spotted me...All the while only 40 yards away.

Now, I know squirrels are pretty stupid and don't pay much attention anyway, but they even treat me differently on stand. You know how they are, they stare you down for a while, and may not spook, but always know something isn't right. Well, I've had them sitting on limbs 5 feet from me and just pay me no attention at all. It really is amazing. My confidence grows every time in the woods.

Also this past weekend it rained on us some Saturday evening. I never got wet. Now, I wouldn't expect that in an outright downpour, but it keeps you dry for quite a while. It sheds the wind very well and is just plain comfortable to wear. I simply couldn't be happier.

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To all of ya'll that don't think it "looks" good, I say this. You are right. It has very little shelf appeal, but who cares, really? I'm not the one I am trying to hide from. I am trying to hide from animals, and it works PERFECTLY at that. Unless you've worn an "open" pattern such as this, it really is hard to understand.

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Just curious before I place my order. How does Wolfskin do in very warm weather? My bow season starts in september, with temps reaching 90 and high humidity.

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FLOutlander, I can attest that in atleast 80+ degree temps I was still fairly comfortable wearing my Enigma. Being here in the Northeast we don't get that many 90 degree days in october if any. But there have been some Enigma users that used their Enigma Camo in the kind of temps you discribed, and they also stated they were very comfortable. One (Iamyourhuckleberry here on Huntingnet) even used it in the heat of Africa. You can see his photos of the 15+ animals he harvested while wearing Enigma in the Enigma Camo website. And to top it off he stalked most of the animals he got in africa including a Lioness. Maybe some of these guys will chime in and tell us more how the wolfskin handles the heat and humidity. Also keep in mind there is a 3D suit in the works.

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I've worn it in mid 80's weather and it's comfortable. I will admit, however, that in high heat and humidity it may be warm......BUT....what isn't?? [8D] That's just miserable.

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I had another, What I'm calling an "Enigma Encounter" yesterday while hunting. I had a yearling doe show up and feed around my stand within 20yards for over 1 1/2 hrs, even passing directly under my ladder stand twice, and on top of that while this deer was feeding at 10yds from my stand I had a flock of turkey pass directly under my ladder stand also. Later on in the afternoon this same flock of turkeys came back through to go to their roost and passed at 10yds from me again. The best part was these animals never ever knew I was there. While the deer was feeding at 15yds I decided to do a test to see how much movement I could get away with like Rob did and started waving my arms around, not flapping them like a bird but just moving them around and the deer never noticed me. This deer looked directly at me numerous times and never was alarmed at all. Like I said before My Enigma Camo continues to impress me every time I step into the woods, nothing but success stories here. Hereis aphoto from yesterday showing the deer I am speaking about. She is standing at about 7yds in this picture, Notice her mouth is open muching on those yummy acorns.

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Here are the turkeys at about 20 yds after they passed me.

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So you mean you moved enough to raise your camera and take pictures of turkeys and they didn't spook? That's impressive and this stuff keeps amazing me.

Here's a redfox that came right to me to get a closer look after I stood and took a picture of him in my food plot. When he was under me I used the flash as you can see in his eyes and I talked to him and he still didn't bolt. Foxes never stick around, I was impressed.

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Now that's Cool Rob! And yes I did move around enough to take my camera out of my pants cargo pocket and take about 10 pics of the turkeys and about that many if not more of the deer. And my digital camera makes a beeping noise that you can't turn off every time you take a pic and they still didn't spook!

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I think this Enigma stuff is getting to big of hype! I have never wore the stuff and I have had all these things happen to me that these enigma wear'ers do and I wear all different kinds of camo. If a deer is close by and you don't move you won't get busted, especially in a tree. These enigma wear'ers need to coolit and stop acting like this camo is the best thing out there. I mean look at PA hardwoods Avadar, does that look like anything in the woods.

Put me on the ground in my leafy wear and put an enigma guy on the ground I bet this time of year I blend in better.

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tschammel, you are entitled to your opinion but I think you are dead wrong. Yes if you stay perfectly still up in a tree and animal will most likely not spot you, But I have had occurances where I was perfectly still and the wind was in my favor wearing my Realtree camo and I was still spotted. And if you read my previous posts I stated I was moving around enough to see if the deer would spot me. I have a small catalog of test photos I am compiling right now for a review of Enigma that shows that Enigma works and works well. Also how do you explain all of the success stories concerning Enigma, are they just a giant government conspiracy to bring down the BIG 2 camo companies. Come on, how do you know Enigma doesn't work if you haven't tried it?

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There is no scent control built into the Enigma/Wolfskin stuff, is there?

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Corvus you are right there is no scent control built in at this time, I wonder if there is any plans to do this in the future? I do wear either a scent-lok or scent-blocker liner suit underneath most times or even some xscent clothing and have strict scent control practices for myself.

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I'd rather they didn't if it would increase the price, because I have no faith in Scent-Lok and the like, personally.;)

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I never said it doesn't work I just said it is hyped up waaaaaay to much on this forum. I know this because I don't get busted in my como, so why would I switch to enigma. Camo isn't that bigofthing for me while bow hunting, it's my equiptment, my accuracy, techniques and scent control. You emigma guys act like this is a huge factor in your hunts. People are just starting to get caught up in the hype of products now days and are getting away from what really matters in hunting.

I snuck up on my biggest buck (130 class)to date in a blue flannel shirt, at 5 yards in a wooded fence line and killed him an he never knew I was there. Like I said it's not the camo you wear that makes you a good bowhunter or that makes you invisible in the woods it's your techniques.

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the pattern looks interesting...but i'm really turned off by the "home shopping network" style that ahs been pushed, i feel that if i buy it i should get a free Ginsu!!.....wolfskin is great stuff, and the pattern looks good, jsut turned off.

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Sorry if these posts have come over like the HSN, we are just trying to share our successes with the other hunters on this board. We could keep Enigma all to ourselves if you like. It is no different that the posts about these great new broadheads, or the posts people make about this or that brand of bow. I don't think anyone claimed Enigma Camo was the so-called silver bullet for killing a deer or any other animal for that matter. What i'm saying is that it can help increase your odds when used in conjunction with proper scent control practices, having properly tuned equipment, and your woodsmanship skills. Camo and concealment does and will always play a factor in having a successful or unsuccessful hunt. Can you kill an animal wearing a neon blue shirt and hot pink pants? Yes, but can you consistantly go out in that sort of attire and harvest animals? I don't think so. All i'm saying is that it is a good, well made product that actually works. I've been a member of this forum for a few years now and if my memory serves me correctly this used to be the board to come talk about ASAT and more recently Predator and i've seen the same things said about them when they are talked about.

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I'm a hunter first and foremost and I'lldo most things that arelegal, and ethical to increase my odds in the woods. Whether I'm shooting my Trykon, recurve, Ruger .280, or my Canon camera I'm going to do my best to conceal myself and put myself in as many "opportune" situations as possible.

Now, if you want to wear a Sponge Bob outfit into the woods, that's your perrogative and I probably won't stop you.:D:D

Mikey S.-- To answer your question, my experiences with this clothing have been excellent. Itoo have been in situations that have fooled deer, turkey, and coyotes. Also as small/unimportant as this may seem, squirrels literally don't realizeI'm there even when I'm still hunting or stalking. If you would likehear more personal or in depth occurrences feel free to PM me and I'll share them with you.

The one occurrence that I would like to share, has nothing to do with animals at all. I killed the second of two does a little over a week ago.I gave my blouse to my buddy to carry while I dressed it and carried it out. Long story short, my BDU Blouse got left on thetwo-track road when we went back to camp. This wouldn't have been such a big deal except for the fact that both my digital camera and rangefinder were in the pockets... and it was raining. I made the 30 minute drive back out, but was unable to find the jacket in the downpour. I wrote the camera and rangefinder off for good (it's funny how a $100 jacketgainsimportancewhen you have $600 dollars of optic/electronics in it). The next morning my hunting partner found my jacket on our path out of the woods. My camera and range finder were completely fine. The lenses were foggy from the humidity but there was no water damage at all. With the exception of my raingear, I don't have any other clothing that would have allowed for the same results.

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Now.....how did you know I have Sponge Bob pj's???? (honestly, I do [&:])

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Then do like I do w/ all the tracking question threads, all the "Which Bow" threads and the like.......DON'T READ THEM......I respect and understand your opinion, but why talk down about it instead of just ignoring it?

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I believe this because a flannel shirt acts as an open pattern camouflage. Deer don't see the blue and the contrast made it an open pattern.

tsch, I've tried them all and your right, if you sit still, it doesn't matter but the thing is, I don't sit still, I'm glassing, I'm standing, I'm sitting, I'm figiting and like 90% of all bowhunters, I'm moving in my stand especially when I have to stand and draw, that's when good camo is worth it weight in gold.

I've worn them all, and it's the open patterns that have proved themselves over all others in all my experiences. That's not hype, that's fact.

You don't need it, your experienced enough to kill deer in anything you choose to wear but not everybody is made the same and if it gives someone else an edge, why would you want to discredit it (because it's working) to anyone else that might be interested. It's obvious your not going to change the mind of the users already, why deter anyone else that might be interested. I see your reply as pointless, opinion allowed, just pointless.

And don't forget, Enigma is not only an effective camo, it's an incredible product of the best materials, it's all win, win.

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I'd like some good pictures of Enigma at work. Have you seen the pictures on the Enigma website? Those pictures don't do any favors for the pattern. How does this work now that there isn't any 'green' in the woods anymore?

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How do you know you're not getting busted in your camo? Maybe they are busting you so soon, from so far away that you never know they are there to begin with.

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I have had amazing results.Like stated before game seems to look through you, not at you. I was stalking a flock of turkeys and I was stuck without any cover.I watched this flock for over an hour with nothing working in my favor. It was misting out and I was in the wide open on my knees,so with nothing left up my sleeve to try to stick a bird, I just stood up and started walking towards them. I got within 30 yards before they ever knew I was there. They did not run off or fly they just walked back into the woods. I have had several small bucks within 15 yards of me this year and not a one of them picked me off. I agree with keeping you dry also, I sat out in a light rain/mist for over an hour and was completely dry underneath my Enigma. People always amuze me by saying it looks like crap or what is so special about that. Read up on how game animals see and and then answer your own questions. This camo pattern is the real deal.

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I never said it looked like crap..but i can tell you that game animals such as turkey's have great vision and pick up movement as well as color very well.deer ...well ...thats a little different, they see in the blue spectrum of light and pick up movement well...just not other colors...so if one were to wear a plaid green wool hunting coat that is like an open pattern correct?

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I have been keeping up with these Enigma posts and have kept my mouth shut until now, but I figure that it needs to be said...

I am not trying to down-play the camo or say that it isn't a wonderful pattern, the big thing is that the comments about Enigma camo are the same comments that were made about ASAT and Predator! The results that have been posted read exactly like what the same people said about their ASAT and Predator the past several years, and that looses alot of the credability! I know that it has been stated that the Wolfskin material is one of the best materials on the market, but that isn't what the Enigma posts have been about, the posts have been about the classic phrase "the deer looked through me", the same exact thing that has been said time and time again about Predator and ASAT! I would understand these posts if they were intended to discuss how the Wolfskin material has worked out, but I digress, it is the same old story, "the animal looked through me" "I played tricks on the animal to see if it would see me" ect..

Like I have said before, Enigma is a great looking pattern and I am sure it is one of the more effective patterns on the market, but the comments about it sound like a broken record that was playing the ASAT and Predator tune last year. If I am looking for a camo, I want something that is going to disguise me as best as possible, the material isn't as important as I can always layer with waterproof clothing under it, so my question is, how can I take it seriously that this camo is better than ASAT and Predator when the comments I hear about it are identical to the comments on ASAT and Pred?

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Can you see me in this photo? Most likely you can find me, but you gotta admit, it's impressive.

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I have been seen by turkeys in my tree wearing the Enigma and they knew I was there. I was moving and I believe they knew something that big should not be there. I was a little dissapointed. I saw them again on another day in the same tree and remained motionless and they went by at twenty yds.
With that being said, I believe the waythe clothing is designed puts it above the others being mentioned here. The velcro adjusters on the sleeves as well as on the back make it great for bowhunters. Keeps the material tight to the body so you do not get any interference upon drawing or releasing the bow. The bdu blouse also has hidden chest pockets, another great feature.
The pants with zipper legs and velcro straps around the bottom are awesome. Very easy to put on and off. They also have the adjusters on the waist for tightening or loosening. Cargo pockets are also available and a must for me. Great place for "stuff".
I like it and it will only get better with feedback and constructive criticism from the serious hunters like those of you on this site.

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For those of you that wanted to see some Enigma test photos here they are These are just some of many I have taken.

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Buck Magnet, I'm not gonna go on the record and say that Enigma is better than ASAT or Predator. I won't make that claim as I wouldn't make that claim about them being better either. They are all exceptional open pattern camouflages. What sets Enigma apart at this point is the fabric, the product, the features. Predator has great patterns but just that patterns because not one is best for all purposes, Fall Grey is great late season but not green woods, Spring Green is great early season but not skyline in the open tree tops. Great pattern with specific applications. Enigma has fitted the bill for early season, and now with the leaves coming down, still great and proving itself daily.

Yeah it might sound like a broken record, even redundant but that's what good camo is suppose to sound like, the animals should look right through it, what else can be said about camo.....there isn't a lot of words that explain it's effectiveness. If you come up with some, let me know. ;) What sets it apart is the fabric so that should be taken into consideration.

Fabric matters greatly. This camo is a 20 year camo not a replacment camo every year. From what I understand, Wolfskin does not fade and unless you abuse it, you'll have it for more years than you would ever have cotton camo. Believe you, me, I've beaten enough of that up..loll Chuck might be shooting himself in the foot in the long run, people buying camo now won't be up for renewal for many, many years, no return purchase unless they want multiple suites. I've talked with him about why he came out with the Wolfskin and his reply was, he wanted a quality camo in a the best fabric so hunters can have the best for the best price. I couldn't agree more.

Wolfskin is incredible, simply incredible and when you can get it with an all purpose, all season, all application camo pattern, it's a win, win, win. IMO

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Rob, I may be mistaken, but I'm not sure it's so much the Wolfskin that prevents fading as it is the printing method....some kind of heat transfer, yes?

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mobowhuntr, If my memory serves me right when I talked with Chuck he did say the printing process is some sort of heat transfer that is printed on both sides of the fabric unlike other fabrics that are printed on just one side. I usually wash my hunting clothes just about every other day, and the fabric and printing on my set looks just as good as the day I recieved it. So far so good.