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HOYT? NEVER AGAIN!!
Well here goes,
I love HOYT. I own 3 of them at the moment. But I bought a new trykon thinking it is the next great thing. The bow is the greast feeling bow ever when you shoot it. NO HAND SHOCK, NO VIBRATION!! It puts all others to shame(even my 06 allegiance). It was paper tuned and sighted in with feild points. Then I started tuning for my broadheads. No matter what I did(for 2 weeks everyday after work for a couple of hours)they wouldnt get any better than 8" low and 8" left. I am not the only one. I have found a few people with the same problem. Including my hunting partner. I found the ATA was off, cams were leaningandthe tiller was wrong. How in the hell could a 700$ bow leave the factory like that? After getting with my local archery "pro" It got to about 5" left and 5" low. I wanted to throw the bow against the wall. So after owning a trykon for two weeks I took it back. I will never buy a HOYT product again! That bow should have never left the factory!! --cjc-- |
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What would you suggest replacing it with? We've sold at leasta hundred Trykons this year, and that's never been a problem with a single one of them.In fact, of all the guys here that have one, yours in the first I've heard as well. Obviously, every manufacturer out there makes a "lemon" occasionally. It just slips through the cracks, so I'm not saying it's not possible, because it is.
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I own a Trykon and it was set up once at my dealer and has had hundreds of arrows through it and sends a 3 blade muzzy right where I aim. Has never needed any other adjustments since the initial setup. Only three posts; are you a Mathews lover in cahoots with MOTOWNHONKEY and TeeJay? LOL!!!!
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HA! I hate mathews bows. I have been a HOYT only guy for years. I dont doubt that you guys have had no problems. All I am saying is both of my vipertec bows after I tuned them put a bareshaft, feildpoint and a broadhead in a 1" circle at 20 yards. After two weeks of me and my archery guy trying to tune the trykon the closest we could get was bareshaft and feildpoint touching and broadhead 5"low 5"left. And I know a few people with the same problem. Including another bow bought at the same place. Both of these bows has a high right tear that you cant get rid of. Normaly I would just sight in for broadheads and hunt, but the ata and tillers were off. That just annoyed me. As a businness owner I would have never let them out of the factory as far out as they were. So I bought a bowtech(not a mathews)to try. This is the first non HOYT bow(other than my recurve)that I have owned in four years. Though I will most likely hunt with my 05 vipertec this year.
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I have heard of a few problems with the new Hoyt's. But they aren't all l ike that, in fact i think most of them are just fine...
Still not a Mathews though, not matter how hard they try they just can't catch us..:D |
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ORIGINAL: caleb7mm HA! I hate mathews bows. I have been a HOYT only guy for years. I dont doubt that you guys have had no problems. All I am saying is both of my vipertec bows after I tuned them put a bareshaft, feildpoint and a broadhead in a 1" circle at 20 yards. After two weeks of me and my archery guy trying to tune the trykon the closest we could get was bareshaft and feildpoint touching and broadhead 5"low 5"left. And I know a few people with the same problem. Including another bow bought at the same place. Both of these bows has a high right tear that you cant get rid of. Normaly I would just sight in for broadheads and hunt, but the ata and tillers were off. That just annoyed me. As a businness owner I would have never let them out of the factory as far out as they were. So I bought a bowtech(not a mathews)to try. This is the first non HOYT bow(other than my recurve)that I have owned in four years. Though I will most likely hunt with my 05 vipertec this year. --cjc--  I have a Tribute too and they are a hell of a bow. Hard to tell what is up with your Hoyt but I can assure you that Hoyt will make it right with you. HCH  |
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I hear ya Caleb. You paid for the best and didn't get it, period. If Hoyt was a top notch company they would apologise profusely and do whatever it takes to make it right. Did you give them the chance?
As far as setting the thing up right I would say that's the shop that sold you the bows fault even the cam lean unless there is a manufacturing defect. The strings are not good. There is to much of this kind of thing going on in everything. |
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As far as letting HOYT make it right. I know they would but I wasjust so irritated by the end of the two weeks I just didnt want to even see the trykon again. So I am now going to go tune my new bowtech. Wish me luck!!
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Sounds to me like a problem that my buddy had, we were able to correct the problem by adjusting the lean on the yoke. He now shoots that bow lights out with whatever he puts on the end of the arrow.
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Pile'm up Caleb:D
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That sucks... Must be a "lemon". Hoyt has always had a great product and I am sure they would have beant over backwards to fix it for you... but I understand what you are saying... I probably would have smashed it!
I must say, to disappoint you all, I switched from a Hoyt to a Mathews this year.... Never been happier! :) |
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You guys got to be kidding. Thats allI hear about on this forum, my new hoyt or bowtech sucks. Cams are leaning. Cracked limbs. "And Im not the only one, my buddies hoyt sucks too"
I know ya hate to hear it, but ya don't hear this about Mathews very often. When ya can't beat them.....Join them. Bowtech and Hoyt markets the crap out of their stuff. Mathews just lets the quality market it's seft. Quit waisting your time and buy a Mathews. |
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ORIGINAL: tschammel You guys got to be kidding. Thats allI hear about on this forum, my new hoyt or bowtech sucks. Cams are leaning. Cracked limbs. "And Im not the only one, my buddies hoyt sucks too" I know ya hate to hear it, but ya don't hear this about Mathews very often. When ya can't beat them.....Join them. Bowtech and Hoyt markets the crap out of their stuff. Mathews just lets the quality market it's seft. Quit waisting your time and buy a Mathews. And far as advertising goes... take a look at any bowhunting mag and see who has bought more pages, then tell us who spends more on advertising. |
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I've recently owned an AR, Hoyt, & now the Mathews. They were all great bows. I had and issue w/ the AR limb cracking, but they went out of their way to fix it. The Hoyt just wasn't "fitting" me right anymore. I shot them all (Bowtec, Browning, Hoyt Trykon, and the Switchback XT). The Switchback was the most comfortable. Period. I don't care what make and model somebody shoots. They are all fine bows. It's a matter of personal preference. I personally don't give a darn about how much advertising one does over the other. Shoot the bow you like... Now what you "should" like. Who really cares?
Just my opinion... :) |
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First off, when a hoyt or bowtech shooter comes on here and complains about his bow it's becausehis ego and brand loyaltyare not more important than his current bow choice. They want the best bow for themselves regardless of the brand.Most Mathews shooters would be too ashamed to say they got a lemon or had a problem with their beloved mathews. They wouldnt want to tarnish the name. And far as advertising goes... take a look at any bowhunting mag and see who has bought more pages, then tell us who spends more on advertising. (Sarcasm)Why so bitter towards Mathews, and Mathews shooters? Is it because you've tried to catch us?......Catch us if you can! (Sarcasm) |
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Hehe...
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ORIGINAL: tschammel You guys got to be kidding. Thats allI hear about on this forum, my new hoyt or bowtech sucks. Cams are leaning. Cracked limbs. "And Im not the only one, my buddies hoyt sucks too" I know ya hate to hear it, but ya don't hear this about Mathews very often. When ya can't beat them.....Join them. Bowtech and Hoyt markets the crap out of their stuff. Mathews just lets the quality market it's seft. Quit waisting your time and buy a Mathews. HCH  |
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i must agree; i think that mathews is a good bow, but it is not the best bow which their marketing scheme of advertising 5 times as much as everyone else leads one to believe... there are plenty of good bows on the market and mathews is one of them along w/ PSE, Hoyt, bowtech, browning and many more of which all probably spend more money on design rather than marketing. secondly, i hear just as many problems w/ mathews as any other manufacture and mathews doesn't even make a speed bow! they make an old mans bow which is easy to tune & shoot and if that's what you want then buy a mathews, but if you want your balls to hang a little further to the ground buy something else!!
PMSchammel: for now on if you are not going to say something intelligent don't sayit at all. thanks. |
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I shot Mathews for years!!!!! A few years ago I broke a limb on a mathews and it took me 4 months for them to get a limb to me. Thats just poor!!!!! If it wasnt for the better business bureau I probably be still waiting. Now I am Hoyt man!! Your Hoyt seems to be one of those lemons that slipped through. All bow companies have some slip through. In todays bow market its all personal choice. Almost everyone makes a good bow today.
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I miss stated my point on marketing. I just meant that the there best marketing comes from the people that shoot their bows. I seriously see a hoyt and bowteck problem on this sight everday. Cams leaning, problems with limbs, there is a new one that just came on the tech section. Hoyt guy "mycams are leaning" "my sons new hoyt exploded". EVERY DAY!I saw a hoyt guy on here the other day start a thread, "I hate to admit it but I switched over to Mathews" I don't think we'll see that guy on here camplaing about things anymore.
Waltwittman you can keep falling for the"Speed Bow" gimmicks. I stick with my quality made mathews. They sure do make those Hoyts look cool with there split limbs, though. Ooooohhh my limbs are split and I have a spead bow, but my cams are leaning.....oh well. I'll stick with my cadillac of bows.......youwalt stick with your souped upcivic. Ooooh butthere soooooo fast.  I wonder why Matthews has the best selling bow every year......mmmmmm. |
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why do every time you realize that your point sucked do you say that you miss stated it?
also, i never said that my bow was a speed bow either; i just said that compared to the rest mathews are slow and an old mans bow. ie,for people who don't want to take the time and have increased speeds with a little more recoil... it falls on a continum; the more speed the more recoil. it's physics. mathews bows are slow and have little recoil. |
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Its sad to hear that you had trouble with your hoyt and I can imagine that I would have gotten aggrevated also, hopefully you will not give up on hoyt for good although you picked a good replacement IMHO.
I agree with the others that a bad one must have slipped out or at least I hope thatswhat happened and this is not a sign of things to come from Hoyt. good luck with you new Bowtech. squirreldog |
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My cousin has gone through 3 hoyt bows in the last 5 years. All had cam and limb problems. He now shoots a Bear and has never had a problem with it.
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There seems to be a lot of hoyts slipping through the cracks at the plants lately. I'll just put my slow mathews on cruse control and buy another one in like 10 years.
Ok...all jokes aside....I think Hoyts are great bows. It is nothing but a fact though that some of there newbows arehavingmajor problems. |
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I loved my Hoyt. I'm not worried about speed. I just want to kill the deer. If I shoot an "old man's bow", so be it. It is comfortable and I like it. Period.
People get too wrapped up in the brand loyalty and brand bashing. |
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Western I just like to have fun with this hoyt and mathews battle some times. I like hoytsand I think theirbows are sweet, it just seems they arehaving problems lately.
I know a dealer/bowshop owner close by and when I was there this spring he told me in the last year or two he’s seen more hoyt’s come back to his shop for problems then ever before. Cam leans and limb problems. I hope they get it figured out because these bows are expensive and these guys got to be pissed. |
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good point caleb7mm; i like to call him PMSchammel!!
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ORIGINAL: waltwittman good point caleb7mm; i like to call him PMSchammel!! thats great. Heres my (Sarcasm)...Wow! he really talked me into buying a mathews!! I cant wait to go out a over pay for one(Sarcasm) Heres a little fact for you PMSCHAMMEL, The man whodesigned the mathews has a degree in marketing. The owners of HOYT are engineers(and so was the founder and designer). If I had to pick a bow from one of these I think you know what would be the smartest choice. --cjc-- |
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Celeb!
I hear where your coming from ,nothing worse than getting that bad taste in your mouth ,it's hard to get rid of it .But I have to agree Hoyt is definately one the high end bow's you wouldn't expect it from ,but all bow manufacturer's are suseptable to problem ,and I don't care whether it's a Hoyt ,BowTech or even a Mathew's they all have problem's from time to time ,but I'm sure if you gave them a chance they would definately make it up to you. I don't like to get involved in these Mathew's is the best thread's ,and I know this thread wasn't to be meant to be that .But again oneTHOSE GUY'Sjust seen a opening to start a debate . Don't pay no mind to him. You stick with which brand suit's you the best, whether it be a Hoyt or a BowTech or which ever brand you choose . nubo |
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Hey grumpy bearded one......When you start your first two threads with "I Love Hoyts" and the next "I hate Mathews".Your going to get a Mathews hoyt debate....dumy. I don't understand, you come on here and complain about your hoyt like everyone else lately on these forums.I've just stated what I've heard from countless people about these hoyts problems, including you and your buddy. If I were out looking to buy a new bow, I sure as hell would want to know about these problems. That's $700+dallars people are spending.
thats great. Heres my (Sarcasm)...Wow! he really talked me into buying a mathews!! I cant wait to go out a over pay for one(Sarcasm) |
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i hate to say this, but ole' Tschammel has got a point(besides the mathews thing) you come on here and say that Hoyt's have done you nothing but good in the past and then after two measly weeks are ready to give up on them for good and want to bash their name to no end...
1. mobowhuntr says he's sold at least 100 trykons and no problems 2. hardcorehunter gets hard boner form his trykon 3. you hate mathews; it's one of the best on the market 4. you know hoyt would make it right... but you don't care 5. bullmoose38 broke limb on mathew, took 4 months to fix... still loves mathews maybe your arrow spine is wrong... i don't know... next time just think before you speak yours truly, waltwittman |
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Yea walt! Preach it brotha! :D
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DUMY
okay,
1st off when I said I hate mathews I was using "sarcasm". I have actually looked very hard at buying one in the past. But besides that point, I didnt give up on hoyt because of two weeks of problems. I gave up after about 40 hours of tuning. And my buddy spent just as much as that on his. And its not an arrow spine problem. I shot 4 different spine arrows, different lengths, different flechings, no wraps, wraps, different wieght heads, just to name a few things that we both tried. And at the time of my original post I was frustrated and I was venting. I will still use my vipertec to hunt, and I still think HOYT make some of the best bows on the planet. And I didnt want this to be a Mathews Vs. whatever thread, When I used the "sarcasm" it was an opinion of mine in my own thread not someone elses. Soif myopinion upsets you then get over it "dumy". --cjc-- |
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caleb7mm
my good hunting partner went to a local dealer today and test shot the new hoyt . well the cam rolled over and twisted the owner freaked and said let the bow down dont shoot it son , he let the bow down the store owner took the bow and tossed it on the side and said would you like to shoot a mathews or bowtech because im sure you dont want a hoyt after seeing that ,, so you are not alone,, |
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Just Hunt!
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First of all, as an employee at a Hoyt/Bowtech/Jennings/Diamond dealership, any bow manufacturer will build a lemon every once in a while. Caleb, it sounds to me like your bow may have miss matched limbs allowing one side of your split limbs flex more than the other. I seen this happen on a Darton before.
Secondly, the shop that I work for has not had any problem out of any of the Hoyt XT limbs since they were introduced and we have sold alot more than just a few. Thirdly, any archery shop worth its salt will inspect a bow as it comes out of the box. A major problem like this should be found before it goes on the rack! Fourthly,in alot of instances like this, did the dealer damage the bow his self such as bending the riser in the press. This can happen very easily with the Hoyt Tech risers or any risers with alot of reflextion if the dealer doesn't know what he is doing! As far as the great Hoyt/Bowtech/MAtthews debate. They all make good bows. They all have some problems sometimes. Is one better than the other, I don't know. However, I do believe that Mathews bows are overrated. And as I stated earlier, many problems with any bow originate at the dealer that doesn't know what they are doing! |
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ORIGINAL: WVHILLBILLYJLM First of all, as an employee at a Hoyt/Bowtech/Jennings/Diamond dealership, any bow manufacturer will build a lemon every once in a while. Caleb, it sounds to me like your bow may have miss matched limbs allowing one side of your split limbs flex more than the other. I seen this happen on a Darton before. Secondly, the shop that I work for has not had any problem out of any of the Hoyt XT limbs since they were introduced and we have sold alot more than just a few. Thirdly, any archery shop worth its salt will inspect a bow as it comes out of the box. A major problem like this should be found before it goes on the rack! Fourthly,in alot of instances like this, did the dealer damage the bow his self such as bending the riser in the press. This can happen very easily with the Hoyt Tech risers or any risers with alot of reflextion if the dealer doesn't know what he is doing! As far as the great Hoyt/Bowtech/MAtthews debate. They all make good bows. They all have some problems sometimes. Is one better than the other, I don't know. However, I do believe that Mathews bows are overrated. And as I stated earlier, many problems with any bow originate at the dealer that doesn't know what they are doing! nubo |
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ORIGINAL: WVHILLBILLYJLM it sounds to me like your bow may have miss matched limbs allowing one side of your split limbs flex more than the other. I seen this happen on a Darton before. I will never buy from them again. --cjc-- |
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Ya, it must have been me!![:@]So what about the same bow my buddy bought from the same dealer with the same problems? I guess I was shooting his bow to?! |
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