RE: Slick Tricks arrive (First impressions....)
 

I know people draw wrong conclusions all the time,unfortunately it's usually those who shoot 5 shots, call it a controlled test, and base their conclusions on a sample size of 5. Here's a quote from a peer-reviewed (i.e., reviewedby many other scientist tocheck validity)technical report. "Results indicate that increases in the coefficient of friction increase the penetration resistance" (Chen, E.P. 1988). Translation, more friction = less penetration......I'm confident I'm not drawing any wrong conclusions. These studies are done with replication over and over to test for statistical differences in data. My only point was to say increasing the blade angle would increase friction, thus slow penetration. I'm not arguing that you don't make a good broadhead and it won't shoot through a hogs shoulder, I'm sure there area lot ofheads that will. I want to increase my chances of having a complete pass through all that I can, don't really care how big the hole is over an inch.I was just making an observation an stating my "first impression of Slick Tricks" (title of this thread). My intentions were notto startany longdebate on which broadhead is the best.....like yousay different strokes for different folks, I'll leave it at that and let everyone else decide.

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Hi, no long debate, just friendly analysis, and I will sign off with this. If tests indicate that something you don't expect is happening, and it is with the Tricks outpenetrating the longer heads, you don't ignore that and say it shouldn't be happening. You must analyse what is wrong with your perspective. According to your friction theory Tricks should penetrate less in a tire. They don't, cut for cut, they penetrate more. You must account for that. Frankly you have it backwards. What causes friction? Surface area. Look at a Trick and a longer head and see which has more surface area, and friction. The longer head. And it penetrates less. MagnumTricks have a 37 degree blade angle. Is that a good slicing angle? Fred Bear thought so, that is the same blade angle as the bleeder blades in a Bear Razorhead. At one time not long ago, don't know about now, but Razorheads had taken more game than any other head, except stone points, and they were used a bit longer. So traditionalistsmustthink the blade angle is fine. But, for you, and I have not advertised it yet, I now have available1" 100 and 125s. The 1" blades interchange in the ferrules with the 1 1/8" blades. And, by the way, they areeither the same orclose to the same angle as Rocky Ti. So for those who want a hole the same sizeas 3 blade Thunderheads or other 3 blade heads, but with greater penetration than them, they are now available. ButI gotta tell youso far 99% of those I have told about the 1" heads have stuck with the 1 1/8" heads, including myAfrican distributor. Why? Big holes and plenty of penetration. Good talking, hope you have a good year, I'm outa here, THANKS GARY

RE: Slick Tricks arrive (First impressions....)
 

If the new ones fly like the others, which I'm sure they do, I'd be willing to give em' a try...I sure did like the flight of the 100's 1-1/8" cut. A followup question aboutsurface area, another post talked about the "slash factor" of 2.25 inches, wouldn't that be the highest cross-sectional surface areain contact with the flesh? I understand that your refering to length, but what about width? If blade support and durabiltiy weren't an issue, and cutting diameters were identical,would 1/4" long blades at 90 degree angles offa shaft be better thanangled 2 inchlongblades? Just curious on anyones thoughts...I'm trying to get this penetration figuredout, very interesting topic.Thanks in advance!

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4 buck, is there a broadhead out there that meets or comes close to being anatomically correct, size, cutting surface. If so what do you think it is? Scientifically speaking.

RE: Slick Tricks arrive (First impressions....)
 

4buck,
Looks likesomeone needs to spend a little more time in the physics department!:D

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Lou-lou, I don't know, that's what I was try to get someone to elucidate.The guy at the following website has some nice discussion on broadheads, check it out. I wish he could have compared the ST and some of theother popular broadheads for compounds http://www.tradgang.com/ashby/
Hokie, if I have it backwards, why don't we turn our blades around backwards, sharpen them, and shoot them...doesn't make sense does it???? There's gotta be something to blade angle.

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Ok, 4buck, you enticed me once more, I will give you my 2 cents, and then I GOTTA stop posting and get to work. I believe you question refers to blades at 90 degrees. Well, if you look at a Vortex, and thebase of the blades, they are quite vertical but not 90 degrees, so there are heads with great angles. Tricks have a blade angle of 37 degrees, as compared to a Rocket steelhead of about 60 degrees I believe. Steelheads are reported to penetrate well as I amsure you have heard and have killed a lot of animals. Personally, Ifigure over 45 degrees and you are chopping instead of slicing, andchopping instead of slicing might result in clotting and less blood trail if you don't get bothlungsand have to track. No real way to prove that, and you can't argue with the Steelheads success, I just played it safe with 37 degrees slicing angle. I did considerevery geometric possibility, and that is the beauty of the Alcatraz Bladelock, I can make a head with any geometry and have the strength and blade retention with a 90 degree blade like youdescribe. Ok, good talking, GOTTA go, hope you get a bigone.

RE: Slick Tricks arrive (First impressions....)
 

Thanks oldhootowl, that's exactly what kind of answer I was looking for(i.e., choppingvs. slicing). Like you say chopping wouldn't be nearly as efficient. How canthatangle at whichthat occurs be tested.....that'd be a good test to figure out and perform onyour broadheads, that'd sure make a bullet proof selling pitch in my opinion...I'd buy em.Maybe there would besome detectable difference in sound between and chop and slice into the samematerial....I reckon it take some fancy equipment andbunch of broadheadswith different blade angles to arrive at a slicing vs. chopping threshold.I guess Indian's killed em' with rocks, so there's no need to get that technical. Sorry for going on and on, I'm just interested in things of this nature. Thanks again, I'll let you get to work.

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After reading all the almost exclusively positive reviews and testimonials by actual users of the slick tricks ( including some who have taken game up to elk with great results ) I will leave the physics and theories to others. I bought 6 100gr tricks and will be using them for bear and deer this fall. All those happy people works for me.:)

RE: Slick Tricks arrive (First impressions....)
 

me too Terry