What's up with no lead conicals over 400 CVA Accura
#11
Spike
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Join Date: Apr 2018
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Just so everyone knows, I personally would not shoot 150 grains of loose powder or 3 pellets. I am only interested in the lead conicals. Do not care or desire the Powerbelts. I have considered the Thor. Sabots are out as my main deal is elk in Colorado. I plan on calling CVA and checking this out. All I can say is if this rifle can handle 150 grains it ought to be able to handle a lead conical 425 to 460 with a moderate load of 80 to 85 grains(vol) BH209 or Black MZ. No exceptions are made in the manual, just it voids your warranty if you shoot lead conical over 400 grains. Of course I have never heard any mention of this on any forum or any of the CVA marketing materials. Thanks to all, Alan
I'll repost my answer from CVA
I'll repost my answer from CVA
From the manual:
LEAD CONICALS
The lead conical is one of the oldest designs around for muzzleloading guns. These
bullets are typically heavy in weight and feature a hollow base that expands with
pressure to seal the bore. Although lacking in some modern features they remain
effective on short to medium range shots and are ideal for use in states that do not
allow projectiles with plastic parts. Do not use lead conical bullets weighing over
400 grains in your CVA rifle.
#12
Speaking of Powerbelts. It's the lighter PB's that gave them a bad rep. I believe the 410gr and 444gr would work really good on an elk.
I was thinking of using the 410gr PB if I fail at my draw tag and end up with a muzzy leftover tag. I've never read anything but positive reviews of the heavy PB's. Getting Thors and NoExcuse to fit right is a pain. I know the 410gr PB will fit good. Overpriced but i'd only need one pack for hunting.
I was thinking of using the 410gr PB if I fail at my draw tag and end up with a muzzy leftover tag. I've never read anything but positive reviews of the heavy PB's. Getting Thors and NoExcuse to fit right is a pain. I know the 410gr PB will fit good. Overpriced but i'd only need one pack for hunting.
#13
Shoot a 400gr+ PB like you would shoot a conical and i bet it behaves pretty much like a 400gr+ conical. I bet a 400gr+ copper clad flat point would have great penetration when shot with the right amount of powder.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 05-21-2018 at 10:41 AM.
#14
Yeah, I wish the 405gr was a solid flat point conical instead of what it is. I've never found the 444gr PB's for sale anywhere. Not even the PB website. They list them but are always out of stock. Most stores don't even list them.
#15
I just discovered something. The copper 405gr PB is either HP or plastic tipped like the rest of the copper PB's. The all lead 405gr PB is a solid flat nosed bullet. That's the bullet i'll use for my next muzzy elk hunt. It's also in stock. I think the demand for the 444gr bullet is pretty low. They don't seem to make any but the 405 solid flat point should be fine for elk and bear. I'm sure it would knock a deer for a loop.
I might just try it this year for everything in rifle season. 70-80gr of BH should be enough.
I might just try it this year for everything in rifle season. 70-80gr of BH should be enough.
#16
Most people probably get scared off by the weight but dont realize you dont need much powder to make heavy conicals highly effective. Plus the guys that know also know you can buy heavy conicals way cheaper than a PB. CVA imo could find a niche here. Offer the PowerBelt Platinum, Big Game.....375-400gr PB Plat flat point. It would be shiny and able to shoot a little faster than a lead conical without leading the barrel. We all know that shiny stuff sells
#18
They are cheaper. So far I found a 20 pack for $20 with free shipping. I'm going to get some. They're cheaper than the Barnes i'm using.
I found this review on the 444gr flat point all lead. I would think the 405gr FP should work as good. The review is from this forum a few years ago.
"I saw a 444 gr. Powerbelt that was recovered from a Bison shot near Hartzel, Colorado recently. Great looking bullet - expanded to about 3/4 inch with a lot of shank still driving it. It was found just under the hide on a quartering away shot."
I found this review on the 444gr flat point all lead. I would think the 405gr FP should work as good. The review is from this forum a few years ago.
"I saw a 444 gr. Powerbelt that was recovered from a Bison shot near Hartzel, Colorado recently. Great looking bullet - expanded to about 3/4 inch with a lot of shank still driving it. It was found just under the hide on a quartering away shot."
#19
Well, I ordered a couple of packs of the 405gr all lead flat points. We'll see how they shoot. Now i'm thinking of using Goex BP instead of BH 209. Just to stay a little traditional and blow more smoke.