Just look at Spain's unemployment rate. Its still over 15% and just a few years ago it was over 25%. It don't take a genius to figure out you don't have to pay much in that type of economy. Their average wage charts were not exactly stellar for many many years.

Let me get this right, I cannot bash a Muzzleloader Model or Muzzleloader Manufacture. Yet you can do both, what am I missing here? Do you have some kind of immunity to being Counseled for bashing brands? Or was it because you thought I couldn't log in anymore. I am not going to get caught up in the discussion of this post. Just for your information: https://www.nbcnews.com/business/con...ngress-n693001

Then why do you keep posting about a similar topic over and over on this board and others?

I think a great question remains......Why did you basically vanish from the forums for over a year including the time you bought the Knight rifle and never once make a post asking for help?

Yeah i spent some time searching this board and MML. I didn't find anything at all about the purchase or any problems with it?

There has been no previous topic concerning this post. I thought I could get some constructive method of critiquing a gun, from the members. All of a sudden this post has gone from one thing, to bashing a Brand of muzzleloader and I feel myself. If you people can do it. More Power to you. I am just trying to find out what your secret is without being bashed or insulted to death for it.
As far as disappearing from the forum, I would think that is none of your business, to put it lightly.

I don't believe that was bashing any brand, it was actually an answer to a riddle, with very similar answers that followed by others.

Now, the truth be known, I don't care for CVA rifles. There's not a single thing about any of them that I prefer. However that doesn't mean that a CVA rifle doesn't meet the wants, needs, or price point of any other individual.
Its certainly not because I've had a bad experience with CVA's customer service, because I don't own a CVA rifle.
However, I have helped other owners setup their CVA rifles, actually Accura V2 rifles, that I shot, and they shot very well.

So.... I don't like the rifles, but those I shot, shot really well.

Just so I am clear, You insult the brand "As per your previous Post. Then you say something good about it. Does it work every time?

Saying I don't like something is not an insult, nor is saying that a manufacturer floods the market with its product.

Saying I don't like something, but that it works, is not an insult nor a promotion.

I do have a question though.... What's it going to take for you to let go of this?

your Quote:
Could it be, that CVA absolutely floods the market with inexpensive lessor quality rifles, that the vast majority of "extended season" hunters are willing to purchase?
I want to bring to your attention to inexpensive and lessor quality guns. If that is not bashing a muzzleloader manufacturer, you need to explain yourself. I am not going to reply continually to this as I think it is bashing a manufacturer. You qualified your statement I don't need any more. As far as letting this go, if I get reasonable answers to my original post I will let it go. Then I will know how to post as related on this Forum.

I dont care for them either but i have suggested many times to "newbies" to get a cheap Optima V2 as a first rifle. No sense in spending a fortune on something you are not sure you are going to like AND many of those type of posts are for "seasonal" type hunters.

There is nothing insulting/bashing about pointing out that Traditions offers nothing in SS and the alloy frame is unprotected from the 209 primer. Its an absolute fact stainless steel is more corrosion resistant than chromoly and stronger than their LT alloy.

Its also not a bash to say that Brand A has stomped Brand B and Brand C at Friendship. Its a fact that is easily proven.

I have read your post and noted. You quoted, "the Optima V2 is Cheap", wouldn't another choice of words be more enticing to a newbie. As it stands it would tend to steer a newbie away from a purchase. inferring the gun is of lessor quality.