Duplexing For BH209
12-21-2016, 06:07 AM
#11
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
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Don't know if I would do it but I don't see any harm in doing it either. If I don't have a reliable ignition (AKA 209) I wont use BH209.
But on a side note I've been having some good success with Black MZ powder. It's been shooting great on the range and firing 3 shots on game has resulted in two deer and one hog. (one deer and the hog were DRT and the other deer didn't travel very far). Loading is easy and cleaning between shots like 209 is not necessary. But unlike BH209 it ignites reliably with #11 caps.
But on a side note I've been having some good success with Black MZ powder. It's been shooting great on the range and firing 3 shots on game has resulted in two deer and one hog. (one deer and the hog were DRT and the other deer didn't travel very far). Loading is easy and cleaning between shots like 209 is not necessary. But unlike BH209 it ignites reliably with #11 caps.
12-21-2016, 06:11 AM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2014
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In most cases it doesn't need to be swabbed between shots, especially for hunting. However, if you're shooting for the smallest possible groups, it should be swabbed to maintain consistent, repeatable accuracy. The most accurate shooter I know who uses BH209, swabs between each shot.
12-21-2016, 12:22 PM
#13
Spike
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 70
Don't know if I would do it but I don't see any harm in doing it either. If I don't have a reliable ignition (AKA 209) I wont use BH209.
But on a side note I've been having some good success with Black MZ powder. It's been shooting great on the range and firing 3 shots on game has resulted in two deer and one hog. (one deer and the hog were DRT and the other deer didn't travel very far). Loading is easy and cleaning between shots like 209 is not necessary. But unlike BH209 it ignites reliably with #11 caps.
But on a side note I've been having some good success with Black MZ powder. It's been shooting great on the range and firing 3 shots on game has resulted in two deer and one hog. (one deer and the hog were DRT and the other deer didn't travel very far). Loading is easy and cleaning between shots like 209 is not necessary. But unlike BH209 it ignites reliably with #11 caps.
12-21-2016, 04:24 PM
#14
Spike
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 56
Okay boys and girls. It's time to put our thinking caps on for a minute. I just read about a little trick that I may just give a wack at but I'd like to get some opinions or experiences first. I've read a couple posts on another site that some are loading 3-4 grains FFFG down the barrel before a load of BH in their inlines with #11 caps (one was a White Super 91) and getting reliable ignition!! Bronko had a NIB White Super 91 that I passed on for 2 reasons. 1: plunger/bolt type receivers and my sausage fingers just don't get along well without a primer tool. 2: #11 percussion type rifles won't reliably fire BH209 and if I'm using an inline, I want to use the best performing powder on the market. Now I'm kinda kicking myself in the butt for passing on a great deal on a rifle that could have very well surpassed the full bore bullet performance of my TC Pro Hunter barrel (no easy task there) that would also be "western compliant"!! Any of you guys with Whites ever tried this little trick??
12-22-2016, 08:13 PM
#16
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12-23-2016, 04:57 AM
#17
Fork Horn
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I just wouldn;t advise using Blackhorn in a plunger. But in a sidelock?...... five grains down the chute and add a little more under the nipple, should be fine. But good ignition would depend on the condition and design of the sidelock - quality of the nipple and cap.... and I would never exceed 95gr loose Blackhorn volume, in a 50-cal sidelock.
01-03-2017, 07:36 PM
#18
Spike
Join Date: Oct 2013
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BH209 in a plunger style gun reminded me of this post:
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/407995-black-diamond-t-c-blackhorn-209-a.html#post4267479
I realize this is about using #11 caps, but could the same thing happen?
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/407995-black-diamond-t-c-blackhorn-209-a.html#post4267479
I realize this is about using #11 caps, but could the same thing happen?
01-03-2017, 11:27 PM
#19
Nontypical Buck
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Yeah it could Bill. I'm just saying to heck with the idea and look for a Thunderbolt after I pee the wife off and order a Swinglock .45 speedy twist 
Or have a custom .50 1:20 twist built if I can't find a good .50 Thunderbolt.
Or have a custom .50 1:20 twist built if I can't find a good .50 Thunderbolt.
01-04-2017, 06:02 AM
#20
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Doc White tested BH209 in a Thunderbolt.
Read the bottom paragraphs. All he did was adjust head space and added a vent liner to the breach plug.
http://whitemuzzleloading.com/shooti...e-thunderbolt/
Doc thought pretty highly of BH209 in a Thunderbolt.
http://whitemuzzleloading.com/interview-with-doc/
Read the bottom paragraphs. All he did was adjust head space and added a vent liner to the breach plug.
http://whitemuzzleloading.com/shooti...e-thunderbolt/
Doc thought pretty highly of BH209 in a Thunderbolt.
http://whitemuzzleloading.com/interview-with-doc/
All of the above is nonsense if you are using a ThunderBolt with 209 ignition. Blackhorn 209 is hands down the best in the ThunderBolt. BT209 is a smokeless powder of course, they say with a few additives but they won’t say what the additives are. It acts a lot like the 8400 that I experimented with way back when. It is not at all like the 5744 that I took to Africa. Be that as it may, it works like a charm in the T-Bolt, producing great velocities with 300 -450 grain saboted bullets. I have not yet tried it with heavy slip fit bullets
Last edited by Gm54-120; 01-04-2017 at 06:18 AM.
