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OldBob47 12-28-2015 09:53 AM

Flash hole
 

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4236238)
Lots of choices, but mine is plains rifles.

I've had pinned rifles. I thought cleaning them was a pain compared to guns using wedges. I have to do it in my kitchen, and it was more messy.

Pete,

Do most flinters have removable flash holes?

OldBob

Muley Hunter 12-28-2015 10:04 AM

Some do, and some don't. I'm not sure which is the most. Most modern guns have a vent liner. Plus, some are converted that didn't have it originally. Probably more have it.

cayugad 12-28-2015 10:07 AM


One of my short list picks in the hooked-breech category is the Lyman Trade Rifle. .54, flint, single trigger, single wedge, but it sure isn't pretty. That doesn't affect function, and the objection is nitpicky. I'd probably pick a pretty pinned gun over the Trade Rifle, though. I'm sometimes illogical.

OldBob
I have two of those Trade Rifles. One in .54 and the other .50. They are great shooters, easy to clean, excellent lock, and the touch hole does come out of them. Although the first thing I did was order a RMC touch hole and replace the Lyman one. The RMC works better and the Lyman is a spare. And get the ones that turn in and out on an Allen wrench VS a standard screw driver. Easier to put in and out and you don't slip off your mark and scratch the stock.

bronko22000 12-28-2015 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by cayugad (Post 4236001)
Before I purchased my custom flintlock I would have never considered a pinned barrel. But now with that rifle in the collection, a pinned barrel I found the trick to it. Its not all that hard to clean actually. Plug the vent hole. Fill the barrel with soap and water. Then tilt it back and fourth a couple times, and pour out the dirty water. Repeat the process a few times. The swab the bore clean with wet patches of soap and water. When they come out clean, then dry patch it and of course oil it to be done. The trick to making a pinned barrel stay tight is, never take it out of the stock if you don't have to.

That works fine. Another thing you can do is get an old nipple, cut the nipple portion off and drill a hole through the center about 3/16". Force some clear vinyl tubing over it and screw it into the bolster. The other end of the tubing put in a container of soapy water and start swabbing the bore. That's what I used to do with my pinned ML until I got smart. Then I started using a product called Turkey Tracks. A cleaner you can buy online from Ft Chambers Muzzleloading shop.

Muley Hunter 12-28-2015 02:02 PM

Both of those methods are more messy than taking the barrel off. I've tried both.

I'll stay with guns with wedges.

Semisane 12-28-2015 04:22 PM


Another thing you can do is get an old nipple, cut the nipple portion off and drill a hole through the center about 3/16". Force some clear vinyl tubing over it and screw it into the bolster. The other end of the tubing put in a container of soapy water and start swabbing the bore.
Try a Zerk fitting. It's easier to convert than a nipple, and tube attachment is easier.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...lush-tube.html

OldBob47 12-28-2015 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by cayugad (Post 4236249)
I have two of those Trade Rifles. One in .54 and the other .50. They are great shooters, easy to clean, excellent lock, and the touch hole does come out of them. Although the first thing I did was order a RMC touch hole and replace the Lyman one. The RMC works better and the Lyman is a spare. And get the ones that turn in and out on an Allen wrench VS a standard screw driver. Easier to put in and out and you don't slip off your mark and scratch the stock.

I've never heard much bad about them, except maybe soft frizzens. I always figured it could be bad flints.

Here's another question: I also heard that you don't/shouldn't hoss on the touch hole too much, another place that should merely be snugged. Supposedly this makes it easier to remove if it is a little cruddy in there. This could be a crutch for poor cleaning practices.

OldBob

Muley Hunter 12-28-2015 04:54 PM

Use anti-seize on the threads, and tighten it.

Tighten it as much as you'd tighten a nipple.

bronko22000 12-31-2015 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by OldBob47 (Post 4236311)
I've never heard much bad about them, except maybe soft frizzens. I always figured it could be bad flints.

Here's another question: I also heard that you don't/shouldn't hoss on the touch hole too much, another place that should merely be snugged. Supposedly this makes it easier to remove if it is a little cruddy in there. This could be a crutch for poor cleaning practices.

OldBob

Bob - I always heard the opposite. I thought T/C frizzens were softer. I had changed my T/C Frizzens over to Lymans. All that was necessary is a bit of grinding on the pivot to make it fit the T/C lock.

bronko22000 12-31-2015 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by OldBob47 (Post 4236244)
Pete,

Do most flinters have removable flash holes?

OldBob

Installing a vent liner to a barrel without one should be an easy proposition. A drill press with the proper bit and a tap is all you'd need.


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