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Old 12-18-2015 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
A crossbow is no way easier then a vertical bow. The only advantage I see with a crossbow is shooting straight ahead and far. Try turning around and shooting those boat anchors. Ive used one the last two years and hate it. Im going to get my back fixed after hunting season and go back to a vertical bow for sure.
My point is, someone hunting with them does not effect me in the slightest. Just like someone using a Encore or Contender "hand rifle" has no effect on me using a muzzle loader. Both are legal to use during our "so called" muzzle loader season.

I simply don't care what anyone uses as long as its legal.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Gm54-120
My point is, someone hunting with them does not effect me in the slightest. Just like someone using a Encore or Contender "hand rifle" has no effect on me using a muzzle loader. Both are legal to use during our "so called" muzzle loader season.

I simply don't care what anyone uses as long as its legal.
Not everybody feels that way. I have a special license to use a scope in muzzy season. I never used it, but always wondered how it would go if I did. I asked a bunch of hunters locally what they'd do if they saw a hunter using a scope in muzzy season. Half of them said they'd turn them in.

I did the same thing with bow hunters, and half of them said the same thing. Then I asked the bow hunters what they'd do if they saw a hunter using a scoped crossbow in archery season. About 90% said they'd turn them in. I also have a special license allowing me to use a scoped xbow in archery season. Of course I never used it.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 08:54 AM
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Pecussion caps were around in 1820. Not primitive enough for you? All half stock Hawkens were caplocks. Shooting a flintlock half stock Hawken is using a gun that never existed. Yes, a GPR flintlock is wrong if you're trying to keep it real.

As for the PRB? You claimed a lot of kills with it. Now that you don't use one it's unethical? Please.

Using a PRB is fine, and has been for centuries. As long as you know it's limitations it's fine. A hunter should know the limitations of any round they use.
Caps aren't primitive to me at all. Even though they might be considered primitive.

Please show me were I wrote PRB'S are not ethical.

Yes, ive shot many many Deer with a PRB. But only because the law said I had to.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Gm54-120
My point is, someone hunting with them does not effect me in the slightest. Just like someone using a Encore or Contender "hand rifle" has no effect on me using a muzzle loader. Both are legal to use during our "so called" muzzle loader season.

I simply don't care what anyone uses as long as its legal.
Yes, I agree
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Old 12-18-2015 | 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
Caps aren't primitive to me at all. Even though they might be considered primitive.

Please show me were I wrote PRB'S are not ethical.

Yes, ive shot many many Deer with a PRB. But only because the law said I had to.

Here's your quote, but you contradicted yourself. At first you say game shouldn't suffer with primitive guns which would lead someone to think it's not ethical. Then say it's ok if it's ethical.


"I don't think game should suffer because a few want to use primitive everything. But the law shouldn't keep those primitive guys from doing what they want either as long as its ethical."
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Old 12-18-2015 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
Exactly, that's why I would never use those unless the laws said so. I don't think game should suffer because a few want to use primitive everything. But the law shouldn't keep those primitive guys from doing what they want either as long as its ethical.

But primitive to me is a Flintlock and Bow. Number 11's and 209 primers for ignition are not primitive by any means. I think Pa is great, they have a primitive season and its a great time to hunt. If you don't like it, don't hunt that season.
Here's my quote Muley.

You should not assume. If you don't understand just ask.

I feel every one should use the best possible bullet on game they can by law.. If its PRB season, I feel they should use the best roundball and maybe even caliber to harvest game with a PRB. I also think people should use the best rifle bullet they can in rifle season.

Maybe you'll understand this better. If its primitive season, I think you should find the best bullet a loud by law and use it. If you wanna use a PRB, spend the time and use the one that's best on the particular game you are going after.

If I had to go back to using PRB'S I would buy atleast a 54cal Muzzleloader from what I learned from members on this board. Ive shot plenty with a 50cal, and I don't want that aggravation anymore.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 09:30 AM
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You said this.

"I don't think game should suffer because a few want to use primitive everything."


A bold statement to those who like traditional hunting. You can say what you want to defend that, but the statement stands by itself.

I've had my say. No reason to say more which would then just be an argument. Which i'm not interested in. Of course you'll get the last word. Have at it. Try to do it with no personal insults.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
You said this.

"I don't think game should suffer because a few want to use primitive everything."


A bold statement to those who like traditional hunting. You can say what you want to defend that, but the statement stands by itself.

I've had my say. No reason to say more which would then just be an argument. Which i'm not interested in. Of course you'll get the last word. Have at it. Try to do it with no personal insults.
Yes, it was a reply to you wanting to change or hoping to change Colorado seasons. And if I want to use a PRB in Colorado rifle season I have that right.
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Old 12-18-2015 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
Caps aren't primitive to me at all. Even though they might be considered primitive.
Well then why would you consider a flintlock that primitive. It was a tremendous improvement on the Matchlock - now that would be primative!
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Old 12-18-2015 | 10:09 AM
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Maybe a spear would qualify?
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