TC Strike
09-16-2015 | 02:44 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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The main problem with the QLA is that it is not centered on the bore it is centered on the outside of the barrel. Some get lucky and have the bore centered on the barrel so the QLA is centered on the bore as well, most aren't that lucky. The inaccuracies show up the most when shooting full bore conicals.
TC has claimed that the reason their rifles don't shoot conicals accurately is not the QLA but it is because they have too fast a twist which is contrary to logical thinking. Off the top of my head I can think of three members of these forums who have cut the QLA off, recrowned their barrels and gotten accuracy shooting conicals.
TC has claimed that the reason their rifles don't shoot conicals accurately is not the QLA but it is because they have too fast a twist which is contrary to logical thinking. Off the top of my head I can think of three members of these forums who have cut the QLA off, recrowned their barrels and gotten accuracy shooting conicals.
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09-16-2015 | 03:20 PM
#32
Nontypical Buck
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Barnes, what I mean by that is inconsistent wear on the rifling. With a crown, a tiny little wear pattern from improper cleaning methods will cause a "jetting" making that bullet lean upon exit of the barrel. With that QLA system, a tiny bit of wear on say one of the lands at the end of the rifling will cause that same problem BECAUSE of the space created without rifling. Granted it is more than likely tiny if it happens and it probably wouldn't happen to people such as you or several of us on this forum that have proper cleaning methods and loading methods that don't scrape the barrel with loading rods and such which will cause wear on the lands. I just see a problem waiting to happen with that system. Just had too many rifles come to me with horrible grouping because of a bad crown due to wear or just simply a pitiful crowning job.
I've owned a boat load of Encore platform rifles and never had a problem. However like you mentioned, proper cleaning equipment and loading practices make a big difference. I understand the conical part, which is real.
09-16-2015 | 03:24 PM
#33
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Nontypical Buck
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Didn’t mean this to be a pile on the Redemption (now Strike), rather just noting the irony of TC/S&W absorbing a company that was created as a result S&W buying TC. The TC commercial on YouTube is somewhat comical, acting like they invented all the features of the gun.
Actually, I liked the Redemption as probably the first ML in quite some time to have some real innovations. Clever breach and hammer/c0cking design, coating both out and inside the barrel (unlike Weathershield), quality barrel and trigger. I only got to shoulder it once at a shop but it felt really good. The scope mounting is only the real flaw I found.
No, it’s not the prettiest rifle, but hey, I hated the looks of the Encore (still do), but after picking one up I found it shouldered wonderfully, so I can totally forgive its weird looks.
Starting at a list of $499 for the black model, I’ll bet it will be available for less at the retailers, not too bad. You look around, there are still quite a few new Redemptions available, and for more $$. What happens to them is a good question. Assuming the Strike’s build quality is good, I would expect some barn burner sales.
Actually, I liked the Redemption as probably the first ML in quite some time to have some real innovations. Clever breach and hammer/c0cking design, coating both out and inside the barrel (unlike Weathershield), quality barrel and trigger. I only got to shoulder it once at a shop but it felt really good. The scope mounting is only the real flaw I found.
No, it’s not the prettiest rifle, but hey, I hated the looks of the Encore (still do), but after picking one up I found it shouldered wonderfully, so I can totally forgive its weird looks.
Starting at a list of $499 for the black model, I’ll bet it will be available for less at the retailers, not too bad. You look around, there are still quite a few new Redemptions available, and for more $$. What happens to them is a good question. Assuming the Strike’s build quality is good, I would expect some barn burner sales.
09-16-2015 | 03:31 PM
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The green mountain barrel on my redemption is dead accurate, hopefully the TC barrel is as good , i dont think i would sell my redemption to buy a Strike though . I might sell it to put money toward a custom though . My days of factory guns are pretty much over . My next project will be unique , fast twist bull barrel custom knight with pedersoli creedmore long range sight .
09-19-2015 | 11:39 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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I do like that LHR used a steel receiver. Im not a huge fan of alloy frame break actions. At least they offered a "brush gun" version which T/C seems to have abandoned. They probably figured the weight savings wasn't worth it and overall length isn't bad with the existing barrel
04-04-2016 | 08:15 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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My Laney used to work for LHR and now works for T/C and S&W again
https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-laney-491a1333
Who is he?. Well he is one of the people that invented the Redemption and filed for the patent.
http://www.google.com/patents/US20140033588
Mark Laney isn't the only inventor/patent holder from LHR that went to S&W.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/karl-ricker-1a50a227
Last edited by Gm54-120; 04-04-2016 at 08:23 AM.