Jon just showed me these pictures.

250gr Aerolite through the shoulder.

Muley,
If you wanna use a terrible bullet just use it. Its no different with muzzleloaders. If you wanna use a cheap foreign made ML just do it. You have a right to use anything you want. I've seen stupider things before.

Compared to a conical, yes a PRB is poor ballistically speaking in most calibers. 54cal and above they do pretty good at closer ranges. You can use a conical in pretty much every state that wont allow sabots.

What was the insult? Did i lie or misrepresent something?

What "way" am i trying to achieve?

I showed you that pic also Muley. He posted it on WHC in his thread about Aerolite performance.

He said it left a 3" entrance hole. Over expansion is the ONLY way a bullet of that design is going to leave a 3" entrance wound.....Its quite simple..it pancaked and fragged into bits.

Personally i don't hunt deer with a bullet that acts like a varmint bullet on impact. Most ethical hunters don't.

These are HIS words not mine.

You think telling me i'll sell the gun, so it doesn't matter is a compliment? I felt insulted, so that's what it is.

I showed you pictures of the bullet not doing that, but going through the shoulder. I'm not going to let one example sway me. I don't know why the bullet expanded on impact. I wasn't there, but it's not what the bullet does for everybody including Jon when he used it again.

Why don't you get off your high horse? I know what i'm doing.

You asked if it mattered. I gave an honest response based on the history YOU have posted on the forums. I also left the option of you changing your mind. Which seems to happen based on your posts.

If its an insult, you insulted yourself. I see it simply as a likely outcome.

Good Lord!

Cal, please ban me so I don't have to read this crap anymore. Make it permanent.

That sure doesn't appear to be a shoulder shot to me. Looks like it cleanly hit the ribs. He even said a fragment went into the stomach and another hit the other side ribs.

A shoulder hit appears to be unlikely and it was not mentioned on WHC in his thread.

I don't own a horse (high or otherwise) and ive never implied i did.

Now who is posting insults?

Sheesh this discussion is still going???? Pete, I've personally witnessed powerbelt blowups on 2 occasions having to track and finish off 2 whitetails with blown up shoulders. And heard about MANY MANY MANY more. On the 2 I witnessed, Mark was using 2 pyro pellets out of one of the Knight models (no clue which one it was). All it did was blow a good bit of meat off the shoulders. These were 2 Pa Does so they weren't all that big and they were both between 50 and 75 yards. ANY bullet worth a tinkers damn wouldn't have done that crap. And that pic you just posted, sorry but my opinion is that was a bullet failure as well buddy. 3" entry on RIBS no less tells me that that bullet was blowing all to hell on the hide! Unacceptable in ANYONE'S book with an ounce of ethics and care for the game.