Well, ok the PB can't kill, and sure can't give a...bang flop.

Or can it? Last one was a shoulder shot.

You do know some of the 5%'ers here bash the Expanders too?? I don't tell folks what bullet they should use either. Nor should folks tell us what we shouldn't use.

Pete

All those animals in the first half of that video all died from smoke inhalation.

That will never happen. They know all.

Trip7, You seem to not understand terminal ballistics very well. Let me try to explain my concerns about the PB bullet a little bit here. While yes that bullet in the very first post of this very long thread did blow up the plywood as well as that first jug, it would NOT have penetrated PAST a shoulder! All that "energy" you are talking about would have been redistributed throughout the muscle and tissue OUTSIDE of the bone structure. Effectively destroying the shoulder but not causing an immediate mortal wound. A deer hit in the shoulder under those circumstances of the test (I.E. speed and distance) would have been injured and more than likely NOT killed immediately. For a bullets "energy" to remain effective, it HAS to get INTO a vital area to cause damage.

I'm not going ALL by reports, I have seen with my own 2 eyes the ineffectiveness of this bullet. Actually it was a bullet that is supposidely BETTER than the bullet Ron used for testing. Same ineffectual result in not just 1 but 2 whitetail Doe. You ask how they can be in the top 3? It's because they have millions of dollars behind them with CVA, BPI owning them and have one of the best marketing strategies in the business. They are accurate as can be, I don't believe anyone has denied their accuracy, so I'm thinking that most of the repeat buyers are those that haven't really researched (done their homework) on this particular brand of bullet. Are there a lot of deer killed with them every year? Of course there are, when you have thousands using a product you are BOUND to get some good results no matter how bad the bullet performs. And then there are those, like Pete, that take only a VERY CHOICE shot because they actually DO know the very limited capabilities of this bullet brand and still use it because of it's easy loading and accuracy capabilities.

Yeah, those weren't the best examples. They did show enough bang flops to show a PB does work.

Yes, but you do understand that Ron tested a bullet that's designed to expand fast. It's not the bullet to choose if you're looking for penetration. Powerbelt will tell you that on their site, and in commercials. Ron tested it, because it's all he had. It was the worse one for his torture test. I knew it was going to pancake when I saw what he was going to test.

My thought is that some in the so called "5%" have killed more deer than many in the "95%", heck some probably have taken more in one season than others have in their whole hunting career. What they say carries more weight, to me. They are speaking from real world experiences, good and bad.... not just internet message board chest pounding supported by google.

Triple se7en,
I think you just like to argue as well. But I would like to see the post or thread someone bashed the Barnes Expanders. I have had and seen nothing but good results with that bullet and I want to see the complaints myself.

That general statement wasn't aimed at anyone. I know, yours wasn't either.:)

Well, I know those Barnes work, regardless. I've used the 245 PB HP and the same 295 gr. version and the barnes work much better. Their performance leaves no doubt. Those PB HP's I mentioned above just don't have the structural integrity to handle the various shot encounters a hunter will experience.