You'll end up with 2 dead deer.

Yep you are exactly RIGHT!

But in most cases with the Lehigh and as old as I am it is important I want it dead now! no tracking - no running and I hate packing it back up hill. A minor thing for most but here in north Idaho it ain't very flat.

I use the gutless method. Do those petals ever reach the paunch?

It may be flatter here, but the properties can be just 10 acres, with different owners, all of which have their own set of "rules" and they don't like each other. So the assured DRT shot is always the higher shoulder shot.

For me, shooting Bloodlines, it has never happened and I have been pretty close more than once - to close (but I am knocking on wood). On a frontal shot the petals will be off long before the bullet could enter through the diaphragm. On broadside shot behind the heart and in front of the diaphragm I have not had one penetrate the diaphragm. Like I said been close a couple of times. But the diaphragm is a pretty tough flexible muscle tissue.

Yes I think I see your point - but I do not even have to worry about high should shots. And 10 acres is huge.

If you look at those two examples of the deer both of those shots were way high and just under the back bone and zero steps after the shot. I wish I could say 100% of the time but not always true.

Too bad Carlos dropped the Lehigh line. What's the cheapest place to buy them?

Lehigh Defense

http://www.lehighdefense.com/collect...s/muzzleloader

+ $5 shipping on any amount of bullets. Cheapest shipping in the west! Well is Colorado consider in the west or is it with the Dakotas?:D:D

What sabots should I try for a MK-85?

What size bullet are thinking to order?