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Old 06-22-2015 | 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by cayugad
Very nice shooting.. I have some rifles that will not do that first shot in the group. Also I find Black Horn in not the best for first shot, second shot in the same group. I do find that the more I shoot Black Horn the better I get. It must be because I shoot BH out of an Optima and not a Knight or something.

Also that is amazing shooting for that distance. Again, nice shooting.
cayugad, I just recently switched to BH. This was actually the second outing with it. I don't own any high end Knights like Semi, Ron, or Sharpshooter. Just my poor little old Thompson Center Pro Hunter with the .50 cal barrel. It seems to like the stuff The first outing was a culmination of MANY shots and shot loads as well as bullets to find an acceptable combination for a hotter load built up from 70gr to 130gr with 5 different bullets in total. Acceptable to me is one ragged big hole at 100 yards. Blame my seriously bad OCD for that These Barnes T-EZ 290 grain seem to like 120gr the best. I haven't tested any of the new connies out there for full bore long range over 150 yard shooting. Since I don't compete and I rarely, if ever, shoot past 150 yards with ML on live game I just don't feel the need other than maybe just to do it for something different. At my age, different can be good OR bad. Getting to where I have to look at my ID to remember my home address
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Old 06-22-2015 | 07:16 AM
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Great shooting!!!

Do you know where your rifle hits on shots 2, 3, etc? Just curious if you get a first shot flyer, and by how much.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 08:04 AM
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That was a great test and you can hunt with confidence. Very nice shooting by the way.

Not all guns have a first shot flyer. It would be interesting if we tried this with a known perpetrator. My knight master hunter is barely on paper with the first shot but shoots lights out after a few foulers.

Thanks for posting.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by WV Hunter
Great shooting!!!

Do you know where your rifle hits on shots 2, 3, etc? Just curious if you get a first shot flyer, and by how much.
That barrel tends to shoot about .5 higher on second-third shots. The whole purpose of this test was to see exactly whether or not this barrel had what most seem to call a "flyer" on cold-clean bore shots. It seems to shoot the same place on each cold bore shot. I have the scope set dead on at 150 which is approximately 1" high at 100. Seems the cold bore shots were all approximately .5" low which is more than acceptable to me
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Old 06-22-2015 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Josmund
That was a great test and you can hunt with confidence. Very nice shooting by the way.

Not all guns have a first shot flyer. It would be interesting if we tried this with a known perpetrator. My knight master hunter is barely on paper with the first shot but shoots lights out after a few foulers.

Thanks for posting.
Josmund, I am no expert like Sharpshooter, Semisane, or Ron, but my thoughts on your Knight Master is you may wish to try a different sabot. Sounds like you have a bit of a loose bore and need the fouling to tighten it up. MMP makes several different "thicknesses" to compensate for this problem in the muzzleloading industries failure to produce evenly bored barrel diameters. From what I have learned, there is not "set" bore size in this industry like there is in center fire rifles. From what I have learned, White is about the only maker with a standardized bore dimension. I may have just gotten lucky with this barrel for my TC because it is one fine and accurate barrel. It holds a better group than a couple of my center fire rifles.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 08:51 AM
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good to know your rifle shoots close shot to shot. Great shooting again!


Originally Posted by Josmund
My knight master hunter is barely on paper with the first shot but shoots lights out after a few foulers.
When you gonna try out the "possible fix" on that gun?
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Old 06-22-2015 | 09:18 AM
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I don't own any high end Knights like Semi, Ron, or Sharpshooter.
I have some good nights super hunt, and some bad nights. But I don't have any Knights.
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Old 06-22-2015 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Semisane
I have some good nights super hunt, and some bad nights. But I don't have any Knights.
Then you best be getting one 😀....., or two , .....or three .
 
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Old 06-22-2015 | 10:02 AM
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Eh, with my big old tree trunk fingers I just don't like fooling with the Bolt action type muzzleloaders. Pain in the arse to load a cap for me. Don't like anything that I need a dang tool to load a cap! It would be just my luck that the capper would end up laying on my bench when I needed it! I am a heavy subscriber to Murphy's Law so I try to keep everything just as simple and tool free as humanly possible.

Oh and BTW, thanks to whoever it was in another post that suggested the use of a dryer sheet on my plastic load tubes! That dang BH is seriously a pain in the butt when it comes to sticking to the tube! Dryer sheet worked perfectly!
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Old 06-23-2015 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Semisane
I guess it depends on your situation. My thoughts are;

1. I prefer to load on a clean barrel because I leave the load in the gun until I shoot at game. That may not occur for many days, or weeks.

2. The first shot is the important shot. I want the gun sighted in for the clean barrel shot.

3. Anyway, a second or third shot on the fouled barrel isn't going to be that far off from a clean barrel sight in. And if you do your homework you're probably going to know where the second shot is going to hit in relation to a clean barrel sight in, and you can adjust your sight picture accordingly if necessary.

4. In almost 40 years of deer hunting with a muzzleloader I can count the number of times I've needed a second shot on one hand (with fingers left over).

I forgot to come back to this thread. I'm with you too. I always hunt with a clean barrel, but that means clean. Two primers isn't clean to me. I've never had to take a 2nd shot, but i'm really picky about the shots I take.

To those who fire primers. >---->On my last Accura MR the primers were sticking after being shot. As an experiment I shot just two primers to see if they were sticking by themselves with no powder load.
I mention this, because the bore was squeaky clean before firing the two primers. I cleaned to bore after doing this, and was shocked at how much fouling the bore had. It was very close to cleaning the bore after shooting loads of BH. Most guys never try this. Try it and see that shooting off primers really does foul the bore, and it's not what I call hunting on a clean bore.

Just saying.
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