Lehigh Defense new contolled fracturing bullet design
06-26-2015, 09:51 AM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
Triple Se7en, I am just an average Joe American MLer that rarely, if ever, takes a shot on game beyond 150 yards with my inline. Hell it's a rarity if it's more than 70 yards around where I hunt. But I still take an interest in these bullets. May want to take the old smoke pole out for some Elk next year and want a good bullet that will perform well at 200 yards as well as close range.
06-26-2015, 09:55 AM
#32
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
You seem to following the same mindset as me. Is Lehigh trying to cater to a very small audience? In other words, are all the people associated with these bullets/company categorized as 200-400 yard shooters, interested in building bullets unlike what the 95% audience have been pursuing the past 15 years or-so?
One other thought to share - the Bloodline style of bullet built for Knight is under contract to Knight - By contract Lehigh can not openly sell the 230 grain Bloodline on the market even though Knight has not purchased the bullet yet.
In other words, are too many honchos at Lehigh from "open terrain America", which is such a small audience of shooters. Most ML shooters live further North and further East, where 100-150 yard shots are considered long. Where mushroom expansion is implanted so heavily in their store purchases.
Mushrooming bullets are the norm in America and will always be considered the norm - but in other places other bullets working in a totally different method have proven their abilities. I think if you were ever to give a Lehigh bullet the opportunity to work for you would see the difference.
BTW..... I sometimes shoot my 50/40 260 grain Precision Extremes. Talk about a long, narrow bullet...... they shoot very well, but not at "open terrain distances. But again I must mention that 90% of America want bullets for 150 yards and under. 5% more want up-to 200 yard targets. Then there's the last remaining 5% group that want 200-400 yards....... so many in that group posting either here, or at Modern or Doug's.
I was away from ML messageboards for several years. Now most of the posts and threads are from ML technical employees or designers. So few posts are from "real ML America"..... the Average-Joe shooters/hunters looking for accessories different than what's often discussed on ML boards today.
OK, I'm done ranting for this month and next.....lol
I was away from ML messageboards for several years. Now most of the posts and threads are from ML technical employees or designers. So few posts are from "real ML America"..... the Average-Joe shooters/hunters looking for accessories different than what's often discussed on ML boards today.
OK, I'm done ranting for this month and next.....lol
But, I still drive a Ford...
06-26-2015, 10:21 AM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
My post wasn't meant in a bad way, I hope it wasn't taken that way.
Triple7en... I would have to agree with Sabotloader. This particular bullet that they are working on developing is a certain design, for the fast twist .45
They do have alot of other bullets available already that fit the vast majority of users, .45 or .50, so its not that they only care about a small segment of shooters/hunters. To me it appears they are working to eventually get all shooters/hunters covered with a number of options.
My question (which it sounds like SL answered) was since they already had the 230 designed and it rec'd so much praise as pretty much the perfect bullet for a fast twist, why they didn't just stick with that.
If Knight ain't gonna offer them maybe they should just let Lehigh do it
Triple7en... I would have to agree with Sabotloader. This particular bullet that they are working on developing is a certain design, for the fast twist .45
They do have alot of other bullets available already that fit the vast majority of users, .45 or .50, so its not that they only care about a small segment of shooters/hunters. To me it appears they are working to eventually get all shooters/hunters covered with a number of options.
My question (which it sounds like SL answered) was since they already had the 230 designed and it rec'd so much praise as pretty much the perfect bullet for a fast twist, why they didn't just stick with that.
If Knight ain't gonna offer them maybe they should just let Lehigh do it
06-26-2015, 10:48 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
Posts: 3,925
Will be interested in seeing how they did.
One question as a new .45 shooter... if the 230 bloodlines were considered the holy grail by those who got to try them out, why doesn't lehigh just put those out?
From what I've read, they've already proven themselves beyond measure. Seems to me like a heavier bullet would ultimately be better for long distance hunting, rather than trying to go lighter (ie: 215). I know its only 15gr but you get my point.
One question as a new .45 shooter... if the 230 bloodlines were considered the holy grail by those who got to try them out, why doesn't lehigh just put those out?
From what I've read, they've already proven themselves beyond measure. Seems to me like a heavier bullet would ultimately be better for long distance hunting, rather than trying to go lighter (ie: 215). I know its only 15gr but you get my point.
The new 215grn CF bullet by Lehigh Defense shoots good at 100 yards and 200 yards. I was shooting them last night in the pouring rain. I think the bullet being shortened was better for sabots and I think its gonna be an all around better bullet until somebody makes a longer sabot for 40cal bullets.
06-26-2015, 10:54 AM
#35
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
Posts: 3,925
You seem to following the same mindset as me. Is Lehigh trying to cater to a very small audience? In other words, are all the people associated with these bullets/company categorized as 200-400 yard shooters, interested in building bullets unlike what the 95% audience have been pursuing the past 15 years or-so?
In other words, are too many honchos at Lehigh from "open terrain America", which is such a small audience of shooters. Most ML shooters live further North and further East, where 100-150 yard shots are considered long. Where mushroom expansion is implanted so heavily in their store purchases.
BTW..... I sometimes shoot my 50/40 260 grain Precision Extremes. Talk about a long, narrow bullet...... they shoot very well, but not at "open terrain distances. But again I must mention that 90% of America want bullets for 150 yards and under. 5% more want up-to 200 yard targets. Then there's the last remaining 5% group that want 200-400 yards....... so many in that group posting either here, or at Modern or Doug's.
I was away from ML messageboards for several years. Now most of the posts and threads are from ML technical employees or designers. So few posts are from "real ML America"..... the Average-Joe shooters/hunters looking for accessories different than what's often discussed on ML boards today.
OK, I'm done ranting for this month and next.....lol
In other words, are too many honchos at Lehigh from "open terrain America", which is such a small audience of shooters. Most ML shooters live further North and further East, where 100-150 yard shots are considered long. Where mushroom expansion is implanted so heavily in their store purchases.
BTW..... I sometimes shoot my 50/40 260 grain Precision Extremes. Talk about a long, narrow bullet...... they shoot very well, but not at "open terrain distances. But again I must mention that 90% of America want bullets for 150 yards and under. 5% more want up-to 200 yard targets. Then there's the last remaining 5% group that want 200-400 yards....... so many in that group posting either here, or at Modern or Doug's.
I was away from ML messageboards for several years. Now most of the posts and threads are from ML technical employees or designers. So few posts are from "real ML America"..... the Average-Joe shooters/hunters looking for accessories different than what's often discussed on ML boards today.
OK, I'm done ranting for this month and next.....lol
06-26-2015, 11:25 AM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,922
My intentive purpose is to sound-off an alarm to Lehigh, that sales will be small pounding boards like this with bullets that either don;t expand, or they control expand. Most-all purchasers usually turn-up their nose at such.
I am done here. If you want a failed product, or one that aims at 5% of the ML population, then build one...... I really don't care.
I thought I was done ranting prior. But I can assure you I'm really done clicking on this thread now. I like the Bloodlines B.T.W...... wasn't discussing the Bloodlines.... sad-to-say. Not sure where your head is at... thinking that I was discussing that particular model.
Last edited by Triple Se7en; 06-26-2015 at 11:34 AM.
06-26-2015, 11:35 AM
#39
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
Posts: 3,925
It's sad to read this kind of writing, especially when the real topic here is not a Bloodline Bullet, nor the intentive purposes of shooting under 200 yards.
My intentive purpose is to sound-off an alarm to Lehigh, that sales will be small pounding boards like this with bullets that either don;t expand, or they control expand. Most-all purchasers usually turn-up their nose at such.
I am done here. If you want a failed product, or one that aims at 5% of the ML population, then build one...... I really don't care.
I thought I was done ranting prior. But I can assure you I'm really done clicking on this thread now. I like the Bloodlines B.T.W...... wasn't discussing the Bloodlines.... sad-to-say. Not sure where your head is at... thinking that I was.
My intentive purpose is to sound-off an alarm to Lehigh, that sales will be small pounding boards like this with bullets that either don;t expand, or they control expand. Most-all purchasers usually turn-up their nose at such.
I am done here. If you want a failed product, or one that aims at 5% of the ML population, then build one...... I really don't care.
I thought I was done ranting prior. But I can assure you I'm really done clicking on this thread now. I like the Bloodlines B.T.W...... wasn't discussing the Bloodlines.... sad-to-say. Not sure where your head is at... thinking that I was.
