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Grouse45 06-08-2015 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4201429)
Who did you talk to? Bob Thompson who wrote the email, and the one I talked to on the phone is suppose to be in charge of these questions.

That's why I didn't listen to whoever picks up the phone. I wanted to go to a more reliable source.

His phone number is in the email.

I remember the same type of confusion when I first went to Colorado. If you look at the 2015 Colorado game book it clearly states what you can do and not do in Rifle season for Elk with a Muzzleloader.

Muley Hunter 06-08-2015 07:42 AM

I understand that, and I was going to use them this year. The problem came up when asking about the non expanding XP bullet.

He said it's legal in rifle season, because it still falls under the ML laws that doesn't say the bullet needs to expand. This carries over to the rifle season.

With the same thought the 50 cal bore size bullet for elk also carries over to the rifle season.

All I did was put the information out there for everybody to read, and showed the proof. You can even call Bob to back it up.

It's your choice to do as you please. I don't plan on arguing over it.

Grouse45 06-08-2015 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4201452)
I understand that, and I was going to use them this year. The problem came up when asking about the non expanding XP bullet.

He said it's legal in rifle season, because it still falls under the ML laws that doesn't say the bullet needs to expand. This carries over to the rifle season.

With the same thought the 50 cal bore size bullet for elk also carries over to the rifle season.

All I did was put the information out there for everybody to read, and showed the proof. You can even call Bob to back it up.

It's your choice to do as you please. I don't plan on arguing over it.

No argument, thanks for the information.

Gm54-120 06-08-2015 07:56 AM

We cant use the XP here either. Ive gone round and round with them over it because a hardcast is legal and expansion is virtually nil.

Muley Hunter 06-08-2015 07:58 AM

No, we can use it in rifle season for deer size game.

We can't use it in ML season, because it's a sabot, and can't use it in rifle season, because it's too small. Hopefully, the elk part in rifle season will change after they talk about it. It should. That bullet will floor an elk.

Gm54-120 06-08-2015 08:45 AM

Our laws include both firearms and ML seasons. The legal bullet definition is the same for both here. The law was made to prevent FMJ military ammo from being used.

Muley Hunter 06-08-2015 08:51 AM

Colorado likes to think they have a primitive ML season.

I guess they call an inline using BH 209, 209 ignition, and a full copper Barnes bullet primitive?

sabotloader 06-08-2015 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4201461)
No, we can use it in rifle season for deer size game.

We can't use it in ML season, because it's a sabot, and can't use it in rifle season, because it's too small. Hopefully, the elk part in rifle season will change after they talk about it. It should. That bullet will floor an elk.

You can get the XP in ,452 and .458 for rifle season deer and elk???

Here is one that you could use in ML season

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Very easy to knurl to your bore especially in a CVA...

Muley Hunter 06-08-2015 09:36 AM

No, we have to use a full bore .50 in ML season.

In rifle season with a ML we can use a .50 sabot for deer size game. Elk requires the bullet to be at least .500. Either sabot, or full bore.

We have different laws for deer and elk. It would be easier if they put everything in one group, and just call it big game.

sabotloader 06-08-2015 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 4201500)
No, we have to use a full bore .50 in ML season.

In rifle season with a ML we can use a .50 sabot for deer size game. Elk requires the bullet to be at least .500. Either sabot, or full bore.

We have different laws for deer and elk. It would be easier if they put everything in one group, and just call it big game.

These are full bore 50 cal bullets...

That is what I am doing loading them full... on top of a wad or in my case a MMP sub-base



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