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I picked up a new CVA Wolf yesterday for my daughter. It was on her Christmas list but so was a LOT of other items. I just happened to stop by Wal-Mart yesterday and had to stroll through sporting goods and could not believe what I saw. The price tag on the last one that they had read $98.00!!!!! I couldn't let that deal pass by. My daughter is almost 12 and she's a little stout for her age. Could someone recommend how many grains of Blackhorn 209 we should start with. I'm going to order some 200gr Bloodlines to see how they perform out of it. Oh, she shoot a .243 and a 20ga shotgun with no problem.

Thank you and Happy New Year!!!!

Bigtimer - the guys that shoot BH209 are probably better suited to answer your question. But from what I've seen on here I think BH209 works best with heavier charges (like 100+ grains).
I was just down Wal-mart and picked up two canisters of Pyrodex RS on sale. With that I know you could start with 80 grains and still have plenty of power to take down a deer.
BTW congrats on the deal. I hope your daughter likes it.

I would say "98" grains.

You should be able to find a nice sweet spot between 70 and 85 grains for your daughter. Is the factory Wolf breechplug suited to fire BH209 well?

Great answer! :happy0001:

Bigtimer, that is a great deal for sure! Make sure you pick up a BH209 breechplug for it.

Wow, I wasn't aware that I needed a different breech plug for it. Where might find this breech plug for BH209?

Yeah, you need to put in the BP made for BH209 to reliably shoot it. I know you can get it from Western Powders, or CVA, not sure if other places sell them. I don't own these guns, but from what I've heard the Western plug is better. Maybe others can chime in.

breechplug

I would not get the one from western powders, it comes with an o-ring to put under the primer. I think I remember hearing they wear out after about 16 shots.
Here is the CVA BH 209 breech plug for about $5.00 less than you can buy it at CVA. http://www.lg-outdoors.com/proddetail.asp?prod=80873 you don't need a rubber o-ring.
I would start your daughter out at 80 grains of BH 209 powder and increase it by 5 grains, until she says she is comfortable with the shot. Good Luck and Good Shooting.
I checked one more place since the other was out of stock https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.c...r_Loose_Powder This one is out of stock also. gives you 2 places to check back with.
CVA.Com is also out of the BH 209 Breech plug. Between one of the three I would think you would find one in stock soon, its a hot item.
I have been using the CVA breech plug for 2 years and never had an issue.
Note: Use a 1/8" drill bit to clean the flash channel every 3 to 6 shots, The flash channel is the channel under the primer. Put black tape around the shank of the bit until you can grip it firmly. Use finger pressure only.

The o ring is only to be used if you have blowback caused by headspace issues which can be hit or miss with CVA's. Buy the Western Powders BH breech plug. It is the better of the two breech plugs.

I purchased the breech plug to shoot BlackHorn 209 from CVA. Remember, when you install it... use the tool and really crank that thing in there the first time.

85 grains would be plenty. You could start her at 65 grains and see what kind of accuracy you get. My optima sweet spots in at 90 grains. Nice bargain by the way. I don't need another rifle but for that price, it would have come home with me too.

Well you guys may be spot on with the 85 gr load. I just checked my pics from shooting BH209 out of my CVA V2 and I was getting very nice groups with 90 gr. and 300 gr Shockwaves.

d.winsor

From what you wrote, i appears you don't understand the purpose of the o-ring. Western Powders furnishes the o-ring as a freebie. It is an option to help the shooter.. it is not required, it is an option. The same o-ring can be used in the CVA breech plug. What the o-ring does is seal the nose of the primer where it sits in the breech plug. This seal normally stops all blow by from getting around the primer.

A while ago, you wrote about, how to make this seal by shimming out the firing pin bushing so that the primer was 'slightly crushed'. Crushing the primer slightly, also makes for a seal against blow by. After you posted how to 'crush' the primer to stop blow by, you retracted your postings, because you were afraid it was unsafe. Actually, a slight crush of the primer is 'safe', but that is a different topic, best discussed in another thread.

Using the o-ring under the primer in either the Western Powders plug, or the CVA plug can stop blow by. The use of the o-ring in the primer seat isn't required. Using the o-ring in either breech plug, is just one way to stop blow by around the primer. The nice thing about using the o-ring, is it can stop blow by without crushing the primer.

One can purchase the o-ring from McMaster-Carr. The o-ring is so inexpensive, i toss them when i clean my rifle after every shooting session, even if i only shoot it once, or twice.




Another possibility, if one wishes to shoot Blackhorn in a CVA rifle, is to modify the standard QRBP. About this, i can furnish more information via PM.

My 15 year old daughter has a cva wolf. We have her gun dialed in with 70 grains in volume of black horn with a 250 grain hornady sst. Super accurate with that load. It did some great work on her buck in October with a pass through.

I know exactly what I wrote, there was no misunderstanding. When I first started adjusting for primer crush (Info from a forum) I experienced a few things, after I heard there was an accidental firing due to crushing a primer my recommendations changed to adjust the firing pin bushing according to CVA's recommendations (Which specifically forbids crushing the primer) That is Flush with the breech face. If that would crush the primer a minute amount so be it. I do not recommend anyone to crush a primer. The O-ring is just one more way to crush a primer. I don't know how you got on this subject because all I said was I heard the O-ring will wear out in about 15 shots. I was not afraid crushing a primer was unsafe, I new that crushing a primer was unsafe, unless you discount a muzzleloader accidently firing from crushing a primer. Any other questions or remarks take it up with CVA they are probably more informed than me.

By the way just to be clear, I never mentioned anything about blow by or crushing a primer. You must be on your own trip.

I would be surprised if a 1-28 50cal would stabilize a 40cal 200gr Bloodline with light loads. 50x40 sabot choices are not very promising either if you have a tight bore.

Your probably right!! The 185grn Bloodline is a better choice.

The o-ring is just included as a helpful option, and if used, will reduce blow by. It isn't necessary to use the o-ring. The inclusion of the o-ring, with the breech plug, is like a bonus, and shouldn't be considered a detriment.

What is your definition of a light load?..... and with what powder?
Is your statement specific-to the Bloodline bullet only?

I think you may have opened a can of worms here. The reason I'm curious centers around my decision to shoot 50/40s (only) at the range in the spring of 2015.

I believe the 185gr would be just fine also. They seemed to be a bit more forgiving for me with a wider variety of charges. The 200gr seemed to prefer max or near max loads for best accuracy.

Its not so much the weight as it is the length of the bullet. The 200gr Bloodline is longer than a Barnes 195gr or the 200gr SST.

Now if you had a 1-20 or even a 1-24 twist, you could probably be just fine with loads under 100gr of T7 or BH209. I have not tested this in my Savage 1-24 but in a 1-20 45 it appears to be the case.

I really doubt a 1-28 would be enough for a 200gr Bloodline without using full power loads of 100gr or more.

So you're saying (being I'm a 100 grain max shooter), that a bullet like Cecil's Precision Extreme Elite 240 grain 50/40 is better suited for my setup (1:28)?.

My kids have shot 60, 70, 80 grains of BH209 with a 250gr bullet.

60gr should be good to approx 70yds (passthru shot on big doe at 40yds)

70gr approx 100yds (bullet found under hide on offside with 110yd shot)

80gr approx 130yds (passthru shot on smaller deer at 135yds)

The lightest load recoils like my 243


I would recommend a 250gr bullet like the Barnes TEZ with supplied sabot or a Harvester smooth black, this being the sabot of choice for us. This is the bullet recovered with the 70gr shot

What kind of rifle are you shooting with those loads.

60 and 70gr Bh209 out of TC Impact
70gr BH209 out of CVA Apex
80gr BH209 out of TC Triumph
All 50 cal

What a steal.Congrats on the price.I figure that had to be a display model.