The TC manual has lots of good information.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/166452097/...dr-Guns-Manual

With a 430 grain Maxie and 100 grains of pyrodex powder in my Renegade, recoil was nasty any way you looked at it.

I can remember one afternoon shooting my .54 Renegade and friends stopped over. Well their youngest was a PITA. All he kept saying is.. "I want to shoot it. Can I shoot it." over and over and over. Finally I asked his Dad and said, can he shoot the rifle? His Dad said... sure go ahead. So I dumped 120 grains of Pyrodex RS down it and 426 grain BUFFALO BULLET conical. Needless to say, when junior touched it off and it smacked him in the nose and knocked him out of the chair, that was then end of begging to shoot the rifle anymore.

Windsor..........I don't doubt it. A 370gr maxiball with 75gr of Goex Olde Eynsford smacks me pretty good in my .50 Renegade.

Pretty lame. He was just a kid who wanted to shoot a gun. Weren't you that way as a kid?

When I was young I knew enough to mind my manners, not to beg because I was not getting my way, and to NEVER interrupt adults that were engaged in things other then watching some kids world not go round the way he wanted it to. And never to be a PITA.

Maybe I was raised different. Had I been his age and tried to pull that kind of stunt in front of my father.. I wouldn't have shot a gun, but I would have still picked my self off the ground. In my own defense, I would have never done anything to actually or intentionally hurt him. If I had felt for a second it would injure him, I wouldn't have done it. But.. It did get his attention though.

Smacked him in the nose, and knocked him off the chair.

It doesn't sound like you were far from hurting him. Imagine what sort of blow it would have to be to do that to you?

I understand the kid was being a brat, but that's no reason to hurt him.

I have shot the same load. And true, its uncomfortable to say the least. Since the rifle was not scoped, I knew he'd get no scope eye out of it. And I should not admit this to you as you will get bent out of shape, but.. It was kind of funny to watch him finally get to shoot, as he so demanded. And maybe it was not the right thing to do, even the smart thing to do, but I did it. I take the responsibility for it. And would have taken the responsibility had be been hurt. I truly detest children and young people, even adults for that matter, that think they can scream their way to attention. When did children become so pushy? And since this has no bearing on helping this person with loads for his Renegade, this will be my last post on the subject.

Dave,

Children became pushy when the schools dropped their corporal punishment policies and their milk-toast parents stopped spanking their @$$es!! It's really no different than our Government is anymore... there's no accountability.

BPS

It's still sort of on topic. Now he knows what load he shouldn't shoot.

btw I hate pushy kids. I would have smacked his dad for bringing him up that way.