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Old 12-13-2013, 02:54 AM
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I did a search to find your post with the part number for the stronger bolt springs. Didn't have any luck finding it.
Do you still have that information?

Here is the story.
Colder here than normal by 20F, wind chills have been in the single digits near zero too.

Well I am sure the gods of hunting are laughing their ----- off this morning(Dec.11th) . It is a bit warmer than yesterday(Dec 10th but I have decided it doesn't do any thing except make you cold quicker to get in the blind a half hour before legal shooting hours which right now is 7:22 AM to 5:21PM. I finally sat down in the blind at 7:23 this morning after setting my chair in place and unloading the camera, binocs and thermos. I sat the rifle in the corner as normal and started the vigil. Wasn't long and a deer came down the hill from the north east and crossed the creek about at my 60 yard stump marker. It was acting strange for a doe with it's nose going to the ground and trotting and then running a bit. Looked at it with the binocs and couldn't see any horns. About 10 minutes later two more came from that north east area crossed the creek and walked up the hill to the north side of my blind. One of them went under it even. About 8:30 Kare calls me on the radio and said I had not put air in her tire when the low pressure warning went off the other day. I told her I was coming in at 9:45 to do the air for her and walk the dog so she didn't have to. She has a doctors appointment with her mom at 11:00. While she is talking here comes a deer from the south west. The one under my blind left about that time too. So Kare leaves me to look at the deer, there were 3 of them all in a line, went to the creek and walked along it to the east. About the time they got to the creek 2 more came from the north east and they seemed in a hurry to turn and go up in the Russian olive south of me. I was about ready to settle back down again and another lone deer 11th one so far, came from the south west. It was looking like it was tracking one with its nose to the ground a bunch. I look and it is a fork horn. Clear the deck fold and move my chair as it was in the way I felt. Try to open the window and it isn't budging, Well DA Ya got to remove the spike you wedged in there when the wind was blowing it open so far. Now I got the rifle out the window mostly resting the forearm on my hand on the window sill. Snick the safety off and the buck is in some trees near the creek. Finally he steps out and I place the cross hairs on him. squeeze the trigger and nothing., did I remember to let the safety off? Rifle isn't cocked I see so cocked it and placed the cross hairs and again nothing. Did that a total of 4 times. O the 5th try it went boom and the buck jumped and ran about a total of 20 yard's in a very clear area. I grab the CVA quick load, dump the powder in and try to get the sabot and bullet to start. finally it goes so I could ram it home, I still have that buck out there about 70 yards looking around. I now need to put a #11 cap on the nipple. Stupid caps want to turn in the capper and not go on the nipple, I flick 3 on the floor of the blind before I finally get one on. Now the buck is over the hill to the north east and gone.

I climb down out of the blind and go investigate. Just skid marks where he was standing at the shot. Crossed the creek and left a trail of urine that I could really smell. Up the hill following his tracks in the little bit of snow and over turned leaves and all the way across the woods with him just walking now blood or hair to be seen.

I look at the time and it is 8:50 AM, I don't know what went wrong the caps are CCI Mags and were working great just days before when I was shooting for the practice and make sure it was still on the mark. Never the less I came in and did the chores for Kare. Then I loaded up the 54cal.after I popped a primer. it uses 209's. I am going to take my plains hunter and shoot it tomorrow and make sure it is on the mark incase the trouble is the cold effecting the bolts firing pins even though I don't oil them after that little problem I had with the 308 that cold November so many years ago. Ray said I should never oil the bolts on a 700.



The plains rifle is a side lock. I have a little bit of real black but it works with T 7 as long as I remember to thump the stock and get some in the fire channel before setting the sabot and bullet.

Shot the Plains rifle yesterday (Dec 12th)and the CCI Mag caps worked just fine.
Season goes till the 22nd of December so am not worried about seeing another buck.

Al

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Old 12-15-2013, 01:56 AM
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Old 12-15-2013, 05:28 AM
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This is what I have, not sure if it is what you are looking for.
It is a 26# spring and I think the factory is only 22#

969-000-175WB
26# fits Remington 700 Muzzleloader
Mfr Part: 66229


I got it at brownell's. for $8.49
 
Old 12-15-2013, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by 1874sharpsshooter View Post
This is what I have, not sure if it is what you are looking for.
It is a 26# spring and I think the factory is only 22#

969-000-175WB
26# fits Remington 700 Muzzleloader
Mfr Part: 66229


I got it at brownell's. for $8.49
Yooper, this is the correct information - sorry I did not see this sooner..


http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...?sku=969000175
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Originally Posted by sabotloader View Post
Yooper, this is the correct information - sorry I did not see this sooner..


http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...?sku=969000175
BUT: I am really thinking it might be more your trigger than the bolt...

Maybe clean the trigger assembly with carb cleaner and re-lube it...

It is probably a Walker trigger... and they can be a pain but they are fully adjustable...

Here are some pics...







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Old 12-17-2013, 12:54 AM
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Thanks for the information.

I've got 7 700's counting the two ML's and a model 7 for the cedar swamps I hunt in some. Triggers have been adjusted to 2.5 pounds since new. I don't think they (triggers) are dirty either as they were breaking clean and crisp when I was shooting before the season started. I think it is the cold 20F below normal temps and near and below zero wind chills and weak springs. Need to make sure I don't store them cocked in the future too I think.

Could have just been a bad cap to I guess but will use the Plains rifle till I fill the tag or the season ends.




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Originally Posted by alleyyooper View Post
Thanks for the information.

I've got 7 700's counting the two ML's and a model 7 for the cedar swamps I hunt in some. Triggers have been adjusted to 2.5 pounds since new. I don't think they (triggers) are dirty either as they were breaking clean and crisp when I was shooting before the season started. I think it is the cold 20F below normal temps and near and below zero wind chills and weak springs. Need to make sure I don't store them cocked in the future too I think.
Could have just been a bad cap to I guess but will use the Plains rifle till I fill the tag or the season ends.

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Golly yes.... Do not store them cocked...
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Golly yes.... Do not store them cocked...
How do you uncock them?Does it hurt to dry fire without cap or primer?Just save a used one?Is gun considered loaded with a fired cap under the law?
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How do you uncock them?
Pull the trigger and close the bolt slowly...

Does it hurt to dry fire without cap or primer?
It can if your firing pin is hitting the nipple


Just save a used one?Is gun considered loaded with a fired cap under the law?
No... if the cap is spent

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Old 12-18-2013, 02:05 AM
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Just store them with out the nipple. I have a shooting box for each of the Remington's and another one for the plains rifle and Hawkins.

We make dry firing caps for the center fires using those little erasers for the maniacal pencils. Run the case thru the die and deprime it then add the eraser in the primer pocket. Could do some thing similar with a BP for 209's, And with thought I could come up with some thing for a #11 nipple.

With the ML remove the bolt screw with the bolt in the uncocked position, take it apart clean it then install again with the retaining screw removed then add the screw and it will stay uncocked too

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