cayugad

Contact Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading.

http://www.avsia.com/tvm/index.html

they sell kits and the rifles and parts are top quality. If you go Flintlock, a Seiler or Chambers lock is best. Barrels.. there are lots of choices. Rice makes an excellent barrel. And for calibers they run from 45 to 62 caliber. So the sky is the limit there. Most of the kits are under a thousand dollars.

chicken little

http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/m...ins-hunter.php

“The Great Plains Hunter model features a fast, 1 in 32" shallow groove rifled barrel. It's ideal for shooting the many types of modern projectiles available to today's black powder hunter, such as heavier conical bullets and sabots. The Great Plains Hunter has all of the highquality features of our Classic Great Plains rifle. It is also pre-drilled and tapped for the optional 57 GPR receiver sight for the Great Plains rifle."

nchawkeye

Here you go...Mark Silver in either .58 or .62 should fit your bill, just made for those big old bull elk!!! It's as traditional as you can get......

http://www.flintlocks.com/rifles04.htm

dig4gold

So to shoot sabots, you would recommend 1 in 32" barrel?
They have those in both 50 & 54 cal. I'd lean towards 50. I already have BP darrtingers so not completely unfamiliar.

cayugad

If I really wanted to shoot sabots, I would look for something like a 1-28 twist. I have a Great Plains Hunter .50 caliber flintlock. It shoots sabots pretty good. But to be honest I think it will show its true colors with a conical bullet. Once I find the right one.

And I am the first to admit.. traditional, open sights, I just can't shoot long distances and get the kind of accuracy I would demand, to shoot those distances hunting. There are some here that can do it. Don't get me wrong. And maybe you're one of them. So the best of luck to you.

nchawkeye

I just can't see why one would want to shoot sabots out of a sidelock...Roundballs are killers out to any distance you can hit them with open sights....

lemoyne

The Lyman Great Plains rifle is a fine rifle and .54 is the longest range size for practical hunting.

dig4gold

I'm showing my ignorance and the basis for this inquiry.
I didn't realize they made conical bullets and sabots . . . I was thinking they were the same. I should have known better.
Conical bullet would be fine. Obviously better ballistics than a ball.

Underclocked

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.co...u=000156031111 There you go. That's about as close as you will find to what you are after, but that isn't the end of the story. You can have fun finishing and putting that one together and it should be a good rifle, but the barrel it comes with is most definitely for round balls. Who's to say you can't have some fun and get the feel of the rifle using round ball.

But, you will need an aftermarket barrel with a fast twist of 1:24 to 1:28 to shoot conicals and the faster twist would probably be better if going for long ranges. I'm sure such barrels are available for that rifle, I'm just not sure where... maybe someone else can chime in with a suggestion. You will also need a high quality sight.

You could try the 1:32" drop in barrel for the Hunter but it probably won't get you where you want to go. A 1:32 twist would likely not do nearly as well as a faster twist model. You are also going to be looking at heavy conicals for the longer ranges. They will shoot in a rainbow arc but pack one heckuva punch even way out there.

Another piece of advice would be to call Doc White and see if he might have something to interest you.

http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/my...raditional.htm

Oh, you might also call Lee Shaver and see if he could help you out. I would try to become a little more educated before calling him though. http://stores.intuitwebsites.com/hst...StoreFront.bok

Gm54-120

Doc's Sporting rifles should be excellent long range conical shooters.
http://www.whitemuzzleloading.com/my...ng%20Rifle.htm