big problems with my knight disc and ready throw it away
 

i am having trouble with my knight 50 cal disc this is the start of the 3rd year i have owned this gun and i' m ready to get rid of it. i cannot get this gun to shoot straight no matter what i do i have tried everything i clean it every shot tried every load imaginable someone even told me it could be the cheap scope a tasco so i went out and bought a 400.00 scope didn' t help so now i' m getting rid of it because i have no idea what to do so i' m considering getting a t/c blackdiamond or encore or maybe just a regular knight i had one of those and it was a great gun so what do you guys think i should do about this situation or have any of you guys had this problem

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dh21...what is the problem? Give a little more detail, and we might be able to provide some advice.
As far as Knight guns go...as a rule from what I' ve seen and heard, they all seem to shoot very well. In fact, every single person that I know that has one, the guns shoot great. My personal gun shoots as good or better than I would expect any gun to shoot. I would imagine though, like anything, you could come across a bad one.

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Odds are, you haven' t tried everything imaginable! How about telling us about your new & fresh powder, what powder load, bullets, primers, cleaning agents, seasoning agents, oils, tight sights, stock to barrel spacing.. etc??

If you are in a hurry to resolve this issue, you can also contact Knight. I believe all Green Mountain barrels have lifetime warranties against defects.

[email protected]

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i have shot every powder and i' ve shot 85 to 150 gr and i' m really telling you i have shot just about everything imaginable and as far as more details go the fact is no matter what i do it won' t shoot straight i will get it zeroed in for one shot and then it just shoots crazy won' t pattern at all

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What do the Knight people have to say about this? Are they willing to try to get the gun to shoot properly, and to correct what may be wrong? They should be interested in what' s wrong here! Guns which don' t perform up to snuff don' t help their rep. or sales much!!

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Just an fyi...of all the Knights I' ve been around (which is quite a few), they all seem to have one thing in common. They like 90-100gr of pyrodex and knight sabots. I personally shoot 100gr w/260gr knight sabots. It will shoot moa w/ a scope. Hope you get it straightened out. I would contact Knight and see what they have to say.

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I also have a Knight Disc. I can generally shoot 2" groups at 100 yards using 120 grains of Pyrodex RS and a 275 grain Precision Rifle spitzer sabot. They also really crush deer. Precision rifle makes some very nice bullets in my opinion. They are not pistol bullets, but have been manufactured specifically for muzzleloaders. You also didn' t give any specifics, but I found that my gun doesn' t shoot well with Pyrodex pellets regardless of the bullet manufacturer, so I switched to loose powder early on. Also, when I got my rifle, I wasn' t please with the factory trigger pull. It was way to heavy and not conducive to a nice squeeze and good groups. After the trigger job, I was a lot happier. I find it hard to believe that your gun won' t shoot well. There are so many combinations of powder and bullet you couldn' t have possibly exhausted the many combinations. Knight makes quality stuff, so you should be able to get that thing to shoot in my humble opinion. Hope this helps

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well my first knight rifle was a wolverine on of the combo kits and i had it shooting about 1 1/2 to 2" groups at 100 yards and never had a problem with it i just thought i had to sell it and get the newest and best thing but i' m telling you guys i may have not have tried everything but i have tried alot of stuff and this is going on the 3rd year that i have had this problem and now i have no confidence in it so i may just buy me another kit.

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This is something you should of addressed early this spring. Odds are, Knight is going to want your barrel and/or your complete rifle shipped to them. You may not get it back for a month or two. They will find the problem... if not... they' ll likely give you a new barrel or new rifle.

You still never mentioned if you shoot sabots or conicals (or) if you' re shooting with a completely dry barrel (or) what your cleaning methods are. For example: It could be you are using too mild of a bore solvent & have plastic buildup in your rifling.

All you' ve done is complain about your poor accuracy but you really haven' t told us anything you do (or) don' t do!

Another example: I just recently bought a side-hammer that was shot only 8 times in the past 7 years -- that cost $199 new for only $35. The oldtimer said it kept having misfires & no fires so he bought a new one & put this rifle in a garage sale.

Well... after buying it & inspecting it, the original bottom hole of the nipple was way oversized. It cost me only a couple of dollars to fix it. I took it out yesterday & fired 22 shots with it... no misfires & it shoots straight as can be.

We need more info from you (or) contact Knight to get it taken care of.

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Deer Hunter 21,I feel your pain!Had a Knight 54 cal wolverine and experienced same problems as you sold gun to a friend thinking bad scope was problem(Trashco).He changed the scope and still we couldn' t get it to shoot a decent group.But persistence finally payed off!Many different loads powder and bullets and finally have the right combo,105 gr.pyrodex Rs and a 330 gr perssision Extreme bullet,that 5 gr.of powder made all the difference.It is possible that you have a barrel with a burr in it,check to see if every thing is smooth and burr free,you may need to lap your barrel.Also he started to line sabot pedals with lands every time and that may have helped also.CallCecil at persision Bullets and he will be more than helpful with his vast knowledge.Good luck

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I think Knight will make it good if something is wrong with it,my brother sent a disc back a couple months ago,telling them what was wrong with it (wouldn' t shoot groups) and they rebarreled it and sent it back.I don' t know if he has tried it or not yet.

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CALL KNIGHT!!!

(641) 856-2626
fax (641) 856-2628

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i did talk to knight and they told me to send them my gun and they would shoot it and look at it for me and try to make it right but i didn' t talk to this kathy lady but i think i will try to call her back thanks guys

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Hey - Deer Hunter 21,

1. Your asking for opinions/advice but giving us very little detail.

2. I might suggest you bond with an experienced Muzzle Loader and get some old fashioned " in the field" tips.

3. Your knight should serve you very well, unless the gun is flat out Defective. Call Knight. I own a Knight .45 and s/w Knight on 2 occasions to get advice. I' ve owned,shot and taken numerous Deer with this gun - No Complaints.

4. Call Knight or give us some detail on powder,charge,bullet,exactly how you load etc. If this doesn' t work refer to #3.

Good Luck - AL

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Funny I should read this post today. I have a .50 cal knight disc also and I shot it yesterday at 100 yds. I' m shooting (2) 50 gr. Pyrodex pellets w/ 265 Swift A-Frame sabots. My average groups yesterday were between 1 1/2 - 2" . Not bad since I' ve only been shooting it for 2 years now. I mounted a Leupold VX II 2-7x33 on it and neither the muzzleloader or the scope has ever failed me.

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well i have shot pyrodex cleanshot triple 7 and i have not tried the pyrodex pellets and far as how much from 80 up to 150 grains with no luck and i have shot all the knight bullets hornady and just about every other sabot known to man except the power belts so maybe i should hold off on sending it to knight and try the pellets and powerbelts and another thing that knight told me was that the worst thing to do is clean it every shot he said just spit on a patch and run in and out of the barrel a few times and shoot again so maybe i' ll try this out and one more thing i have bought a new muzzle loader cva just for 149.99 45 cal. but i want to keep my knight and i was wondering if a tasco world class would hold up to this gun because i took my nikon off and put it on the cva i appreciate all the help and keep sending the comments.

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All these people bending over backwards trying to help you out and after saying over and over that you have shot EVERYTHING known to man......you now say that you have NEVER shot Pyrodex pellets or Powerbelts??

You have tried " EVERYTHING known to man" ........yet you don' t even know what a spit patch is?? You are a real piece of work.

I know you are probably very upset with your gun but c' mon man........guys like you are the hardest to help because your mind is already made up that your situation is beyond help.........YET YOU STILL ASK FOR IT.

If you had answered everyone' s repeated requests for more info instead of stomping your feet and holding your breath........your problem might be solved by now.

So now you have bought a new gun......which anyone with a brain reading this could tell you were gonna do right from the start.

Sell the Knight to someone with enough patience and common sense to use it and let them enjoy it for many years to come.


I hate seeing people waste the time of the knowledgable people on these forums who are kind enough to respond with helpful advice.................sooner or later they will get tired of wasting their time on ingrates and then we all will suffer for it.


[:@]

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I wonder if you' re scope is mounted properly. All it takes is one loose screw and it will never shoot consistently. I would look into this before I change powder, bullets, etc. You' re BP gun should be able to shoot many more than one type of bullet/powder combo decently, and if its not, i would say the scope itself is hosed up or it wasnt mounted properly. Start w/ the simple things and then work on the harder things. Like they say KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) :)

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i really appreciate atlasman getting on here and telling me how stupid i am yes its true i' m by far not the smarttest guy when it comes to muzzleloading and as far as people bending over backwards i really appreciate their help but i am trying to learn all i can about muzzleloading and i' m slowly doing that but as far as being mad i' m not mad i guess i deserve it and i really do appreciate all your help thanks guys

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deer hunter 21, I think that was a very nice response to questionable criticism. We are ALL learning. And not every rifle is a good shooter.

Beyond a very good cleaning, de-leading, de-plasticing, and making sure all screws are snugged, you might want to check how the barrel fits in the stock. Perhaps the barrel is riding hard to one side? Try to even that fit up as much as possible.

I would also recommend you stay at 110 grains of Pyro or less, and no more than 100 grains of T7 in any form. PowerBelts are generally undersized for Knights (except those they are now selling). The new Hornady SSTs in 250 or 300 grains are reportedly doing well is some Knights, as are some of PR Bullet' s Dead Centers. I would try those on about 100 grains of Pyrodex RS with a damp/dry swab between each shot.

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Look........I know what I said was harsh........He comes in here and asks a question which a bunch of very knowledgable people try to help him with but they ask for more information. He replies 3 more times with more whines about his gun woes and reassures everyone that he has tried " everything" known to man. I just don' t understand why someone looking for help would make misleading blanket statements like that and have to be begged to reveal more information about his problem. Anyone reading this thread could see that he is so unhappy with the Knight that he was gonna get a new gun (which he has already) and IMO was just looking for reassurance from people here that he was doing the right thing.

I never called him stupid...........and I really hope he ends up enjoying his new gun and the Knight as well.

I just hate seeing good, smart, giving hunters waste their time trying to help someone that by all signs appears to either not even want help or is just going to talk in circles until he hears the answer he is looking for. Either way, in the end the forum and people REALLY in need of help are the ones who will suffer from it.

deerhunter 21,

If you really want help.......close your mouth, open your eyes.......read what these good people are asking you and answer them as best you can. They are asking you questions for a reason. If you give them the information they ask for, they will be able to narrow your problem down and give you advice on the best ways to solve it. Good luck to you and I hope you have an enjoyable hunting season.

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if you talked to knight, and they told you to send the gun back, then send it back...problem solved!
atlasman, take it down a couple notches. no need to jump all over this guy. nobody made you " law of the board"

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I would have to agree with atlasmans sentiment. If not his frustration...WAKEUP!!!:D... look at the responses and answer the questions. I would also recommend that you read this http://www.realtree.com/bluelk/index.tpl , ML 101 Chapters from bluelk a Dean and Elderstatesmen of our sport who has passed on. You find it very informative.

I understand we are all learning... but when asking for help it would be nice to have something to work with.

I hope the CVA will be servicable for you... but the Knight is a much better ML, and a much better company... if it was me... I would have sent the Knight back first and if I wanted to buy another ML I would have asked, " What do you think of this?" , before I bought instead of after.

I hope it all works out for you by the time the season rolls around.

Robbie

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I have a knight wolverine , I was told to shoot power belt bullets JUNK!!!!!!. I went with knight bullets. the knight is the best ive ever shot.useing 100 gr pyrodex.

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david in ok, i have heard alot of people say that the knights don' t like power belts. but now, knight makes their own power belts. i can' t wait to try them out

RE: big problems with my knight disc and ready throw it away
 

The Knights I' ve tried do well with 348 or 405 gr. Powerbelts in .50 cal, but not with the lighter 245 / 295 bullets. A huge difference.

RE: big problems with my knight disc and ready throw it away
 

Knights do have a problem with regular powerbelts. The new Knight powerbelts should be great. They are made to fit the slightly oversized Knight barrels. Just found that out myself. Wondered what the problem was.

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Deer hunter21, Save yourself time and trouble.You are convinced your Knight has a problem. You already contacted Knight and was asked to send them the rifle.Pay the shipping to them and have it taken care of. Knight has a Lifetime Warranty. I have had dealings with Knight a couple times and they solve my small problem in a timely manor. Once I took my Disc' s bolt apart which I' ve done many times in the past. I could' nt get it right for whatever reason.I sent it to Knight and in no time I had it back. They explained where I went wrong. Once I broke the jag in my ramrod. Not only did they replace the Cleaning Jag but the entire ramrod. Knight is a excellent company and they stand behind their products.Mine is a Pre 98 model with the shorter 22" bbl.I really haven' t shot it allot but ,the times I have I' ve been impressed with the accuracy.
There was one little buck that wishes it didn' t shoot that well.Then again he never knew what hit him.

Ruger Redhawk

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I use a disc with a long barrel with 3 50 grain pyro pellets and Hornady' s .45 300 xtp. It puts 5 shots in a 3 in. circle at 200 yds.

I ran into a similar problem with a regular rifle and discovered I had a bad set of rings. You might wish to try a different set of rings. I would also suggest you use blue Locktite on all the screws for mounts and rings if you don' t already.

Also, if you' re bench resting it to sight it in, you might try holding onto the forearm of the stock rather than just have it sitting on a bag. I' ve found that the slower velocities of slug and bp usually do better that way.

Are you starting at the closer distances, 25-30 yds, to see if you have the same problem?

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The 348 and 405 grain Powerbelts have shot very well in the Knights I' ve tested-- the 245, 295, and Knight 260 gr. Powerbelts have not.

RE: big problems with my knight disc and ready throw it away
 

:DEnd your frustration....get an Encore and be done with it!:D

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If you want to throw it away, how about selling it and try something else?

Once you loose your confidence in your rifle, it is hard to gain it back.

What do you want for it?:)

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name your price...i' ll buy it just to end this discussion:D

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i have already sold the gun i sold it for $250.00 and now looking to invest in something else.

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OK, so you ask for help with the guns accuracy claiming you' ve tried everything and the gun just doesn' t shoot straight. Shoots so poorly you called Knight and they recommended you ship it back to them so they could test it for you. Yet within a month you sold the gun to what you undoubtedly consider " the next poor sucker" ????

I loathe you. I hope that your problems with the rifle were truly due to your complete ignorance and not a defect in the gun that the pooor purchaser eventually discovers after wasting even more money on ammo, powder, etc noyt to mention time and frustration. Maybe you should take that $250 and invest in something other than hunting equipment nbecause we really don' t need somebody like you giving the rest of us a bad name.

Atlasman had you pegged right.

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all right buddy first off i told the guy the complete situation with the gun and told him he could send the gun back to knight which he did and they fixed what ever the problem was and i' m not here to rip someone off and as a matter of fact this guy is in my hunting club and is a real experienced hunter and knew all about the gun so before you go on and call someone ignorant you really need to know the whole story and as far as the rest a bad name you are the guy that gives us a bad name getting on here and taking shots at people who is really just a beginner and makes those people not feel as comfortable about asking the next question they mite have. i have never got on here and bashed anyone for any reason and never will.so please don' t get on here and insult me i' m not mad at you or anyone for doing so its just your opinion so have a good hunting season and kill a big one.

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DeerHunter21,

You see the problem is that you say that you' re just this new guy that doesn' t know anything and is just looking for advice but when that advice is offered you ignore it. Several people tried to resolve your accuracy problems by asking you for specifics but you refused to provide them. Without any specifics to go on others advised you to return the gun to Knight for inspection. Again you ignored the advice you solicited and went out and bought a different gun and sold your gun to somebody else rather than take make any real effort to solve the problem.

Regarding the sale I guess we' ll have to take your word for it but I for one would never sell somebody something that I assumed was defective. Thankfully Knight fixed the problem but I wonder if they hadn' t whether you would have cheerfully handed back a handful of cash to the buyer and taken the rifle back or if he would have been stuck with a lemon. I hope not.

Bottom line, never feel uncomfortable about asking questions. This board is full of an incredible wealth of knowledge and I often turn to it as a first resource. But if you ask a question then actually listen to the people who take their valuable time to try and help you out.

I hope you like the CVA but honestly the Knight is a much better rifle, the unfortunate defect yours had notwithstanding. I did notice that you said on your post you had been dealing with the problem for three years before you sold it and it was sent in and repaired. Lets hope CVA will stand behind their product three or four years from now. Sounds like Knight did everything possible to make things right.

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well first off it would be hard to sell him a lemon and him get stuck with it because knight said that they would either get it to shoot good or replace the barrel and i would have gave him the money back because thats what kind of guy i am and would never rip someone off as far as the cva shoots great and i hope they would stand behind it they say it has a lifetime warranty so hopfully they will stick to that and everything you said in your reply i have done been told by atlas man and i do have one question what would you have done if you was in my sitiuation and was just fed up with the gun and your good buddy wanted the gun. have a good day.

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Well, since you asked, I would have resolved the problem right away rather than wait three years. After buying the gun I would have taken it out to the range and sighted it in and tested different ammo in it. For instance in the muzzleloader I bought this summer (a Knight Bighorn) I tested three different brands of ammo. Fortunately for me they all three shot to the same point of impact and grouped very well but if they had not I would have tried another half dozen or so. If I still could not get an acceptable grouping I would have contacted Knight and sent the rifle in for repair or replacement immediately. I would fully have expected to have a satisfactory shooting rifle in my hands by the opening of the muzzleloader season.

As another example I did experience some problems with the primers falling out as I carried it still hunting this fall. I contacted Knight and they agreed to upgrade my standard 209 primer system to the new full plastic jacket system for $25. I sent them the old hammer and breech plug on monday and I already received the new parts this morning. Unbelievable service in my opinion. Had I been whining about the primer situation three years from now then sold the rifle in frustration without every trying to resolve the problem with Knight you would probably be asking me why I didn' t take care of it sooner.

In an effort to not beat a dead horse here let' s just say what' s done is done and I do wish you luck with your new CVA. Have you taken it to the range and sighted it in yet and if so how does it group for you?

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well i know cva is a cheap gun but believe it or not the gun is shooting very well its a cva mag hunter 45 cal. at 50 yds it shoots a 1 to 1 1/2 inch groups and 100 about 2 inch groups and shot it at 200 yds today and held about a 5 or 6 inch group i' m shooting 100gr of triple 7 loose and 200gr hornady sst so i believe thats pretty good and i can' t complain yet about it and you are right about the 3 year deal should' ve handled it alot sooner but i didn' t and that gun is now shooting great so everyone is happy and thats all that matters and i hope the cva will hold up and i' m glad to hear you got your gun fixed.