Where are the moderaters?
 

I do believe its time the moderators step in and warn some of the members. Reading the thread What do you think in regards to American products? it is apparent that some members are becoming downright insulting to other members because of their choice of manufacturer.
That is not why this forum was created. It is here for relating knowledge and experience with other muzzleloader shooters regardless of make and model of weapon. The squabbling between members is IMO offensive and insulting.

you mean like this thread where you were upset because you were warned for what you called someone?

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...t-believe.html

I have'nt read the thread yet but I can imagine and see where your comming from. First off I agree with your comments, we are all one here requardless of what make and model of anything we use. We come here for the Love of the Sport of Muzzleloading and to share our experiences with the lessons we have learned from the different products we use and to pass them on.
But mostly we are here because we are all Friends and we all should ack like such. Were here to Help oneanother and to share our lives with eachother, there's too much Division going on in America already. It's time we should all think of why were here and be lucky we still can enjoy the sport we all love.
(BP)

I didn't think the thread got out of hand. A lot of it was just fooling around. On my part anyway.

I didn't feel it was anything to get uptight about, but some guys seemed more serious about it. No real personal insults. No reason we need to like what someone else shoots. Its their choice.

I agree muley.
bronco:
it was my thread and I wasnt offended. I think you are overly sensitive since your warning

I agree I thought the thread was pretty tame compared to what it could have been. I think we should be able to have debates without getting them shut down.

And I believe I have a right to be..even though I meant absolutely no malice in my choice of a single word. And I am sure everyone in here knew that. But the thread I write about here was getting out of hand and IMO was bordering on nasty - far worse than my mis-chosen single word. Even your comment about SOP for CVA owners.
And "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".

And what's wrong with saying its SOP for CVa owners. That's true , there are a Ton of threads where you see the same derailing and skirting the issue. Or avoiding the question. When that seems to be a pattern then it appears to be Standard Operating Precedure . I spelled it out in case you didn't know what SOP meant. You are only offende because you ended up in the CVA camp so you take it all personal now
Go back through the thread and block all the offensive posters instead of crying for a moderator . Before you do that go read some of your posts and get the board out of your eye before you worry about the speck in someone else's eye.

Im proud to be a CVA shooter, I dont give a crap who made it, it'll shoot the eyes out of a frog at 100yds, that's why I bought it.
I believe in GOD, America and the Constitution and that's all that should matter, weather it offends anyone or not I dont care.
If we all bought AMERICAN our Economy would collapse. Im sure not all on here buy all American Cars and Trucks, heck even the last 3 pairs of Levis Jeans I bought came from 3 different countries.
It's a simple fact that no matter how hard we try we cant buy all American made stuff, if we did we'd have to throw out 75% of everything we own.
(BP)

SS...........Whoa! We quoting the Bible now? :D

i think most of us in that thread know each other good enough to know when one is trying to be a butt head in a very negative way. I never felt it in that thread so i cant say moderation would be needed IMO. Members here who also are at my place know i hate giving out rules and pretty much straight up say that if you want to argue or cut some one down, please do it on another forum or in private.

A good deal of us talk smack to get some action going or just to poke fun and it seems like it might be serious but in truth, im betting that if we all got together on the range we'd be completely different and enjoy the time spent with one another.

Learn from me, you seen how i was in my younger years and would go for the throat over something stupid, just got to learn that its the net, take nothing serious, play when the invite is open, help when asked, not worth just being a jerk all the time and making enemies.

You could have said all that with 2 words ,( grow up .) :D
I actually thought it was a good thread even if off topic continually

Where did it go off topic? You mentioned CVA in your first post.

Bullets got a little off, but bullets are cool.

I wasn't offended. Just thought it was boring as all get out. Couldn't wade through any more than about half of it. Not my cup of tea (brand of booze?) I guess.

Boring!!! I find that offensive . :biggrin:

semi.......You have to be a poster. Not a reader. I can't get through long posts, or long threads if i'm not involved. I fall asleep.

No, you are.

The only thing offensive is offending people (Muley).

I said that CVA was junk that offended some. Now I KNOW that CVA is junk. Many others here KNOW CVA is junk. That means no one should be offended right :party0005:

Ron

The truth is, you know nothing about CVA except some old model you had as a kid.

Not offended on my part. I might be if you knew what you were talking about, but not as things are.

Actually, i'd never be offended when I think about it. I didn't make the gun.

I do know it will out shoot a Renegade. :happy0157:

Oh man. Here we go again!

Ron is fun.

No bad intentions.

Exactly my point - people open their mouth based on one experience. Ron, your example of a rifle (whatever the make or model) from 20, 15, or even 5 years ago does not hold any water today). Company policies change. A prime example is Taurus. Yes 20 years ago they were complete junk. Today they are a good quality reliable handgun. I'm not saying that a CVA Accura is the best thing since sliced bread because I haven't shot one yet. I did own an Optima Pro several years ago and I did like it. So that also helped with my decision. Same goes for the Triumph. I picked the model based on threads in here and from reviews form various online sources. Based on compiling all that information I deduced that the Accura is a better choice. Time will tell as I am not able to try it out yet. And I am not offended by the fact that I did purchase a CVA over an American made T/C. No one is more patriotic than I am. And I will fight that fact tooth and nail. But to say I am a hypocrite (no one used that word) because I did not buy American is absurd. I work for my money and scrimp and save to get enough to buy what I think is the best value for the cost and in this case I determined that it is the Accura. Wrong or right - it was my choice and you nor anyone else need to jump all over me because of it.
Saying a CVA or any other brand name is junk borders on idiotic. You get good and bad product in every line. Some more than others. If you bought a new Ford or Chevy or any other vehicle and it broke down on the way home would you say that they are all junk? Oh, wait you can't add Chevy into the mix because 7 out of 10 chevys sold are made outside the country.

Now that I got that off my chest - lets talk bullets.. :). Although I still am holding off on using BH209 because of the results I get with Pyrodex I would like to try the Lehigh bullets. Does anyone have any recommendation as to what weight I should try out of the Accura?

Don't let them get to you. You don't need to explain anything to them.

250 gr lehigh with light blue harvester crush rib. That will probably be the best performer.

How are you going to fit a .452 in a Harvester 45x40 sabot? :D

Bronco, what will you be hunting and what ranges? I have used the Lehigh/Bloodline for several years now and they have been a consistent performer for me.

Just as a thought... I have always called the .458-275 grain Lehigh/Bloodline the best all-around bullet of the bunch, as with its weight - velocity it can be used to harvest most everything. I would say it certainly is an over kill for deer but in the case of a big Muley buck or to even anchor a big Whitetail buck you would be in the ball park.

The question will be "How tight is the Accura Bore"... will it accept a .458 sabot. If it might be as tight as some have suggested you may be locked into the 44-45 cal bullets that offer a wider variety of sabots...

i was thinking 50 cal, since its a 45
in that case probably the 185 gr 40/45

I never had any luck with the Harvester 50x40 CR but the MMP 50x40 is likely too tight for an Accura. They are extremely tight in a true .500 bore.

Lets get Ron straight CVA's are not junk. They are just a step below T/C..:happy0157:.. Now about the bullets. How many of us have ever used a Blood Line and harvested an animal? They shot very good from My Encore 45 the .45/200 but for some reason I have not ever loaded one while hunting. Just prefer SST's

I need to go back to sleep. I was thinking 250 gr lehigh .452 but said blue crush rib sabot because I have been shooting my 1:20 45 lately with that sabot and a 230 gr bullet.
I use standard black sabot in my 50 for 250 gr lehigh.
To much thinking lately. Must have messed my mind up.:bash:

I tried them last year for hunting. 1 antelope 6 deer. I plan on trying them at long range this year. I never had a tracking job with them so I guess the performance was good. It's just hard for me to get away from my Barnes and to get used to the idea of a segmenting bulleting versus expanding bullet.

That was easy.

Next!

If i wanted to use the .452 Lehigh 250gr in a bore that is very close to .500 but not smaller, i would try 3 sabots. I would try the MMP HPH-24, Harvester Short Black and the Harvester Black Crush Rib. I like 458s but in a tight bore the MMP Orange at .506 is very tight.

My guess is the Harvester Short Black should work very well but be a little on the tight side. My ULA 50cal has a real .500 bore and the HSB work very well with a .452 bullet. Ive heard the Accura 50s are very close to .500 also.

I have used them and have harvested with them.. they work great. I had to make the switch because Nosler decided to quit making the partition in the bullets I was using.

Never have found a good reason to use a pointy bullet in a ML, in fact even in my 300 Win Mag I use a semi-round nose partition vs. a pointy bullets.

Just my choice and not meant to cause a flap...

I was thinking the same thing about the bore of the Accura but have no first hand information.

The bore of my Accura seem to be kinda in between the 50 disc extreme, and the mountaineer. The sabot used are either the short Harvester or the long Harvester. This is when shooting 0.451, or 0.452 bullet. The disc Extreme seems to be the largest barrel; the Mountaineer is about the same as the Omega.

I use the same sabot in the Disc Extreme as in the Accura.

I owned that rifle well over 30 years ago.
I think one bad experience is enough. If you hit your thumb with a hammer do you do it again? Do you actively search out a situation to hit your thumb again? DO you pay to hit your thumb with a hammer?
CVA had their chance at a first chance. The one I had was junk, no need to go back.

The inline rifles from CVA might be a different deal all together. I won't argue that at all. Here is the deal breaker in Idaho for me. On a ML only hunt a #11 cap or musket cap must be exposed to the weather. At one point our rules even disallowed a conical for a time. So here in Idaho there is no need for someone to buy a inline that will not comply with Idaho rules if he wants to hunt a ML only hunt. The make of that rifle does not matter it could be CVA, TC, or Knight. Now a guy could use an inline that does not comply with Idaho ML rules. He would have to use that rifle in an any weapon hunt. I know some guys that do that. If I wanted to use a ML on an any weapon hunt I would use the same Idaho legal rifle I already hunt with.
Ron