Originally Posted by bronko22000

Well before this gets into to much of a P.....g contest let me say one thing. I wanted a break open action ML. I looked at the pros and cons of both the CVAs and the T/Cs. I originally was going to choose betweent he CVA Accura VR and the Traditions Vortec. But listening to some of the forum members I decided to drop the Vortec and compare the Accura and the Triumph. And as much as I like T/C I'm sorry but the CVA as they say "is just a better gun."
That is my opinion and no one elses. If you don't like it - tough. But don't tell me I'm wrong because of an experience you had years ago. Company policies change and I believe CVA's changed for the better while T/C's for the worse. (ever since S&W took over.)

Originally Posted by 1874sharpsshooter

We all know CVA guns and Bergara barrels are made in Spain. What I wonder is are they an American company that outsources things like so many or are they actually a foreign company.
see the article where it shows that the Dikar Co-op in Bergara Spain at the time of writing owned 100 % of BPI stock.( makers of CVA, Bergara barrels ,etc.)http://randywakeman.com/DangerousMuz...rsAHistory.htm



I think if more American manufacturers and more Americans had the type of attitude ( as portrayed in the video below) we might be better off .


here's a link to the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1FOysx5OuQ




Then again in our day and age, I guess many could care less. Till America is history and everyone is standing in the unemployment line complaining, or inching closer in the soup kitchen line.

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter

Read Randy's stuff if you want to get sidetracked. He gets paid to go after CVA.

Originally Posted by 1874sharpsshooter

you can't really say that based on experience because you don't own a triumph. I have a triumph and had an accura that i sold to someone on here to get rid of it. the Triumph is a way better gun than the accura and thats my opinion based on owning both.. But since you chose the Accura we all understand that you will defend your decision tooth and nail. very rarely will people admit that they were wrong or made a mistake ,as you so very well said.if you dont like it -tough

Originally Posted by sabotloader

Well shooter, I am in the other boat - I have a Triumph and do not have have or had any new CVA product - and I would still trust the Triumph much greater than a Accura. Advertising can paint a picture anyway they want to and we must believe because companies keep spending good money on selling us.

Example - TC came out with the 'speed breech' which I consider a real 'speed breech' by todays standard but yet wouldn't you know it CVA follows with their version of the 'speed breech' which is far from being speedy as compared. If you spend the money on R&D (research and development) you can bet CVA will barrow from it saving them $$$$