TC or CVA ?
 

Hello everyone, I have a couple of questions that I would like to hear some advice. My first question is TC or CVA? I`m getting ready to buy one of these. My next question is if the CVA, which one the New Optima 209 magnum or the Accura V2, and can you buy different barrels for either of them? I would appreciate any input. Thanks earlly

no to being able to change barrels on the new optima and accura.

you almost have to move up to the top of the line for both tc and cva to be able to exchange barrels.

You can't buy different barrels for those guns you listed. If your looking for that feature I would look at the Cva Apex. It is a nice gun. As for Cva or Tc, I would suggest you go handle them and see which one feels the best for you and has the features you are looking for. I have had the Accura V2, Apex, Tc Encore Pro Hunter, and now the Tc Triumph and they are all good guns. Best one out of the box in my experience has been the Tc Triumph. Can't go wrong with any of those though.

I own both and they are both excellent shooters. Which will be most accurate? I can not say. My cheapest is a $180 wolf and it shoots like a mofo!
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Kind of a Chevy-Ford deal. Pick the one that feels the best when you shoulder it.

Personally, I like the CVA best.

+1.... While I don't know anything good or bad about CVA Service, I do know that TC's is awesome. Lifetime warranty with no questions asked. If you ever have an issue, even years down the road, you will be pleased with how you're treated.

If your looking for one gun foundation that different barrels can be purchased and used off of.. The T/C Encore, or the CVA Apex are good choices. It is a great shooting muzzleloader from all the reports I have read, and Bergara sells barrels that can be interchanged on it making it a deadly center fire rifle as well. Granted as I say.. its a single shot, but make that shot count and its all that you need.

Now if you were looking for just a muzzleloader, any of them would work. But personally I would lean to the Accura 2. Again, the Bergera barrel, and the range reports I have read on the Accura are most impressive. So are the reports on the Triumph, Omega, and Optima.

Its a hard choice as people will tell you their favorite. I personally do not own any of them. I still shoot old school rifles. And am fine with them. Good luck on your choice. Get out and handle some of them. See which one feels good for you.

Earlly,

If it matters to you, I think the TC's are American made. The CVA's are foreign made.

doesnt make a difference where its made, i can take a crap in a box and mark is American made. You still want it?

Thank you MountainDevil54.

No, but all things being equal, if I WERE buying crap, it would be American made crap!

If the guns shoot the same and are the same general price, I would buy American.

One reason to consider the CVA over the T/C is if you ever want to shoot conicals. T/C makes theirs to shoot sabots only and they won't guarantee accuracy of conicals (and many of their guns will not shoot them due to the QLA)

I'm not buying American if I like something else better, and not fond of the American product.

Thanks everyone for the input. It was very helpful

The problem with this statement is that "crap" has nothing to do with anything. I would say both brands have equally there share of pros and cons. I have had a couple of each brand and I can tell you about a T/C that I had some issues with that I had fixed on my own and I can tell you about a CVA that I had issues with but never got taking care of by the company after trying with them several times.

To the OP, don't let this "chevy/ford debate" hinder you search. Go shoulder as many as you can that interest you and pick the one that picks you. Also, I wouldn't hesitate to throw Knight in the bunch. Very good quality along with the best trigger I have ever felt on a muzzleloader.

earlly

Have you considered a Knight? It will shoot both conicals and sabots... And come with a SS Green Mountain barrel...

If you have not been there might look at this thread...

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...zleloader.html

It seems to me you have missed the point.

There are many folks that try to purchase American whenever it is possible. The reason they do this is not so much for the quality, but just because. Right or wrong, many feel they owe it to America, to try and keep their monies as close to home as possible. Whether or not the quality of CVA is better or worse than the quality of TC, is not the issue. The fact is, more of monies one spends on a TC product stays in country than the monies spent on a CVA product. It matters not that the CVA product may be, quality wise, as good as a TC product.

Wages earned by TC employees are mostly spent on groceries, clothing, etc. right where they live, here in America. The same cannot be said for the craftsmen that make CVA rifles; their wages are spent on groceries etc. in Spain. Some folks purchasing rifles, think of these things, and want to buy American. Because they live in America, they have the freedom to do so, and they have no wish to read about your bowel movements.

You hit the nail on the head. I agree 100% Ron

Lets not forget the employees that work at CVA here in the US.

What cars do you all drive?

Your scope?

Hunting clothing?

TV? Computer?

Etc Etc....

Lets not pick on just one item.

Master of deflection strikes again.:patriot:

Isn't that what the American comment was?

The topic was CVA or TC? Not where they're made.

Both are very nice. Anyone you buy today will shoot very well with a wide range of powder-bullet combos. My choice would be the T/C Triumph. The best for the money I have shot or owned..

I drive a Toyota. :biggrin:

string'em up!!

i would prefer to buy made in the USA products. Bought a new TC Encore in 2005 or 2006. Despite the fact i've killed a lot of deer and hogs with that gun i still have a bad taste in the mouth. Sure as hades a company that really cared about quality control could produce a gun that did not require major overhaul to become a good serviceable piece. My made in 1950 Wichester model 37 shotgun fits tighter than my Encore. i love my TC Black Diamond. Sometimes i can't believe it and my Encore were made by the same company.

Last several deer seasons i saw a lot of hunters carrying CVA rifles; mostly Accuras and Optimas. i've scoped and sighted in some of those guns and they do shoot very well. The services of a separate company are not required to make them serviceable guns.

I'm sure we'd all like to buy all American, but it's almost impossible in these days.

As most have said both are good guns. I have owned everything from TC Knight White And was a Dihard Knight shooter BUT I have to say that after buying my first CVA Accura V2 and seeing how it shot and was so easy to handle I sold all my Knights. Now I have no more TC Whites Knights What I di have is CVA only and that is how it will be from now on. I have a V2 thumbhole stock .50cal I also bought a CVA Apex in 270 cal. and just bought a CVA Kodiak Pro .45cal. Both of the ML support a Bushnell DOA 250 scope witch I may say are Awesome also. NONE of the other ML I have ever owned in the past were as Accurrate as the V2 and the V2 is SO easy to clean as well compared to the others.
But I would go somewere and handle both or all three brands and see whitch one feels the best to you and you alone, not your buddys but you,
Good Luck and shoot straight

Buying USA is far from impossible these days. It is trivially easy to purchase a muzzle loader made in the USA. It is easy to purchase a scope made in the USA. My wool hunting coat was made in the USA. My Trucks both were made in the USA. My hunting shoes were made in the USA. My jeans, and wool pants were made in the USA. The tires on the trucks were made in the USA. My hunting vest was made in the USA.

The TV, camera, computer parts were made overseas.

my rivers west clothing was made in the USA.


And assembled in Guatemala

Thanks for proving my point. You can't buy everything in the US now.

Yes but its not hardly like you don't have a choice with anything to buy American. He didn't prove your point he proved his, He actually listed several things if not most on your list that is made in America. And electronics is a given to be made oversees and for the most part has been for some time.

Don't mix up the posts. This was the post i'm talking about.

"I'm sure we'd all like to buy all American, but it's almost impossible in these days."


The other post was a very short list. I'm sure Ron buys thousands of non American products without even knowing. I notice he skipped by his Cabelas scope, by saying it's easy to buy American scopes. Even though he didn't.

My hunting guns and gear have been American all my life. It's different with a ML. I happen to like CVA guns, and I don't like the TC inlines. The Renegade was ok, but nothing special until I replaced the barrel and trigger.

Besides, Ron can speak for himself Chad. I don't want to repeat myself twice. I know Ron will have a comeback on all this with a few insults thrown in.

Oh I'm sure Ron will have something too and it will probably be better than what I have to say. I'm not speaking for Ron but I am allowed to comment on a public forum, difference with this one is that no one is going to edit my posts. :D

Well, I did say all American. There's only one definition of "all". It's impossible to do today. Sad but true.

Even when you buy a Leupold. You get Asian glass.

Muley

The cabela scope i purchased just to see how it worked. It sorta surprised me it was as good as it was. It didn't surprise me how it wasn't as good as the optics i was used to. It was sold to a forum member long ago for his son, for less than half what i paid for it.

I assure you when i purchase most anything these day, i do what i can to know where it was made. The CVA rifle i purchased, i knowingly spent the money realizing they weren't American made. I don't not purchase something i need or want, because it isn't made in America. I enjoy the pictures i take using a camera made overseas. I am typing on a keyboard made overseas. I enjoy watching a TV made overseas. However, i do purchase American made products when i can. As i mentioned before my hunting clothes are made in America, as are my hunting rifles. The scopes were assembled in USA. Many of my tools are made in America. I understand we are part of a global economy, but sometimes i purchase American products on purpose.

My lathe, and mill were made overseas. My drillpress, jointer, and planer were made overseas. The table saw was made in America.

One humorous thing, to me anyways, i make vent liners using screws made in America. In my mind my vent liners are All American, part South Dakotan, part Connecticut. I was informed i could purchase screws with the same spec for $6 per 100, instead of the $18 per 100 i pay. My vent liners are still all American. Funny thing--they are made using machinery made overseas.

In my initial post, my point was and is, there are some people that seek to purchase American products. That is it. Period. No way did i imply foreign made rifles are inferior.

I will say my American made hammers, and hand planes, are far far superior to any foreign made i've seen and felt. Them American planes are a true thing of beauty, that feel like a million, and cut shavings one can't hardly believe. In all the years i swung a hammer, they were always American made, and they were good tool, that made me a good living.

The individual that mentioned TC rifles are American made wasn't hijacking this thread, rather he/she was bringing information to the threads initiator.

Muley, you do realize don't you, i am the fella that figured how to make CVA rifles work reliably with BH209.

Actually, i like TC rifles better than CVA rifles, just because i like them better, Yes i do.

Competition makes things better! When I was growing up, when an american automobile reached 100,000 miles it was pretty much done. Now I drive them to at least 200,000 and they still have some life left. We owe that to foreign made competition. That said, I have never owned anything but a Ford. Lots of different reasons, but my curent 4x4 has over 180,000 miles and will be heading to Colorado again with me this year. That said, if Fords went to crap or became a lot more expensive than foreign models, I would be buying a toyota.

I really like the way The Omega is designed, EXCEPT for the QLA. If I were only shooting sabots, it would be my go to gun. If Knight had not come back, I would probably now be shooting a CVA. But since they are back, I have a Knight LRH that I am happy with.

Ron,

As I said. Most of us would rather buy American. You wouldn't believe how biased I am about that. I started out hunting Woolrich hunting clothing in the 50's, because my dad told me to always buy American. It was much easier back then. No Woolrich is made overseas. It makes me sick, but I still have my 50's clothing that hasn't worn out yet.

My guns were always Winchester. A model 94 for hunting. A model 12 for trap shooting and bird hunting. I drive a Jeep. I could go on and on, but you know the story. It's a losing battle when companies continue to move overseas, or have their products made over there. I cried when Winchester had their guns made there.

I shoot CVA, because I get a deal, and I don't have a lot of money anymore. Stuff happens, and you have to roll with the punches.

180k is just beginning to get broken in. Still have our f250 with over 320k on it now.

Is that the one the shocks keep falling off of? :biggrin:

lol no thats my rodeo. They've been good so far, longest ive ever gone without having to tighten them up.