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sabotloader 07-07-2012 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by rodwha (Post 3950058)
sabot: That's a real monster load! There's not been a pig big enough around here that I'm aware of that would require something like that. That's what I would call loaded for bear!
I tried looking at Bull Shop bullets noticing the one you listed must have a fair BC, but the site isn't working right.

I probably should have added that most folks shot the same bullet with 70-80 grains of powder. It just worked out that 90 gave me batter accuracy.... That target was from a 1-28 twist sidelock barrel, but I have shot them from one of my 1-48 Renegades also.

You are correct on-line Bullshop is pretty much shut down. Dave at No-Excuse Bullets build almost the same thing. He migh have BC listed there.

http://muzzleloading-bullets.com/ind...es/Page319.htm

Big 6x6 computed it once shooting it through to chronos - .202

So the next leading question? Are you looking only at full lead conicals? What twist rate is your rifle.

I think I saw you were possibly looking at a sidelock of some sort - does that mean you have rulled out and inline?

I know dumb questions but just wondering...

rodwha 07-07-2012 06:52 PM

I am interested in a sidelock at the moment, though I may get an inline some day. The twist on Lyman's and Tradition's is 1:48" and Pedersoli's is 1:34".

I'm more interested in Hornady's FPB's. But A Powerbelt will work if they won't. I'm not familiar with any other makers of full bore bullets.

I am a bit interested in lead conicals too. If I get into casting for my ROA then I'll eventually cast for the rifle too.

sabotloader 07-07-2012 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by rodwha (Post 3950066)
I am interested in a sidelock at the moment, though I may get an inline some day. The twist on Lyman's and Tradition's is 1:48" and Pedersoli's is 1:34".

I'm more interested in Hornady's FPB's. But A Powerbelt will work if they won't. I'm not familiar with any other makers of full bore bullets.

I am a bit interested in lead conicals too. If I get into casting for my ROA then I'll eventually cast for the rifle too.

Remember Lyman (which is a good gun) also offers a hunter barrel for the Great Plains that is 1-32...

Muley Hunter 07-07-2012 07:04 PM

I mentioned the GPH, but he wants a more compact gun.

He really should consider an inline. As much as I hate to say it.

rodwha 07-07-2012 07:07 PM

I'm looking at it too, but just feel a 50" OAL and 9 lbs is quite a bit to haul around the woods all weekend.
Why does it get 2 wedges whereas their other 2 rifles get 1?

sabotloader 07-07-2012 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by rodwha (Post 3950072)
I'm looking at it too, but just feel a 50" OAL and 9 lbs is quite a bit to haul around the woods all weekend.
Why does it get 2 wedges whereas their other 2 rifles get 1?

The GP is the top of their line and is the closet thing to a replica as you may get in a modern ML.

But it still comes down to what you might want to get and the function that you want it to do. I am not sure that you are going to like loading a FPB either.

As another thought I have shot a lot of sabots from a 1-48 and in 50 cal there is a ton of bullet out there to shoot. You will typically have stay with the shorter projectiles from a 1-48.

Power Belts will definitely shoot from a 1-48 - just not sure you will always like the results - accuracy great - terminal ballistics questionable sometimes.

rodwha 07-07-2012 07:16 PM

Why might I not like loading an FPB?

So lighter 44/45 bullets may work OK in sabots from a 1:48" twist?

rodwha 07-07-2012 07:17 PM

I see Powerbelts don't have as good of a BC as FPB's and noticed on Hogdgon's site they were roughly 100 fps slower in similar weight. I'm assuming they don't seal the bore as well?

rodwha 07-07-2012 07:21 PM

I do really like the GPH, but for a little guy like myself that's a lot of rifle. Were it a devoted blind gun or such...
I just feel that a more compact rifle (even a Trade Rifle/Hawken) would allow for more styles of hunting. And I don't have a lease where I can stick a blind.

Muley Hunter 07-07-2012 08:34 PM

Two wedges, because that's how the original Hawkens had them. Due to long barrels.


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