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Seems you like these 44 cal bullets and want a gun to shoot them (not there's anything wrong with that).

:s2: Yeah. I guess that's true UncleNorby. There's no real logic to it. I just like the thought of shooting them as slip fits. But I'd sure hate to blow the money on the project only to find they don't shoot well.

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Then I shoot a. 451 slip fit 460 grain with 80 grains of triple seven powder.

I wouldn't want to go with a bullet that heavy in this little gun Cayugad. That's why those bullets caught my attention - not too big, not too small. Do you by any chance have any 250 grain .451/.452 conicals you could try in that rifle?

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For example the .430 240 grain lead Hollow point that my 44 mag shoots as a light load at 900 fps in a Rugar with a 1-20 twist would work in a muzzle loader with a 1-37 to 1-38 twist at 1800 fps.

Lee, I would imagine they are pretty much the same length as the 240s you're shooting. If the formula for them works out to 1-37/38 for a muzzle loader at that velocity, do you think there would there be any harm (or benefit) to going with something faster like 1:30 or even 1:24?

Here's an afterthought. In the customer reviews section of Bass Pro Shops web page for TC hollow-point Cheap Shots there are very positive comments regarding both accuracy and performance on deer. Those bullets are in sabots from .50 caliber guns. I assume they were shot from guns with the standard twist of 1:28". The Cheap Shots are "fairly close" in profile the the Hornadys.

http://www.basspro.com/Thompson/Cent...ct/35467/46606

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No I don't have any conicals that light.

Semi,

According to his website, Doc White is still tinkering around with ML's. (unless of course he hasn't updated in site in a while) I bet he would answer your questions about grove depth and rate of twist.

We think alike Dutch. I got an e-mail off to the address on his web page earlier today.

My whites are: 504 has a 1:24 twist
My 451's have a 1:20 twist
My 410 has a 1:16 twist . My best loads are 496 gr conical in the 504, 460 gr in the 451 and a 410 gr in the 410.

Sorry forgot to include depth of grooves are .004-.005
Hope that help

Sharpsshooter, no way would I contemplate a 400+ grain bullet in the gun I want to modify. The deep crescent butt plate would likely tear your shoulder off.

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Sorry forgot to include depth of grooves are .004-.005
Hope that help

Yes it does Sharpsshooter. Thanks.

When you load your best shooting bullets, does the rifling cut the bullet at all?

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Originally Posted by Semisane (Post 3941139)

Yes it does Sharpsshooter. Thanks.

When you load your best shooting bullets, does the rifling cut the bullet at all?

The 504 doesn't but the 451 and 410 do but just barely as they are sized just for the Whites .