I've shot the 250- 270-300gr sabertooth bullets and not a darn one will group worth a darn. I fired one shot at 150 yards today, actually i shot the 270s with 90 and 100gr BH209, I hit the paper once! These conicals have got to be the worse shooting modern day conical i've ever tried getting to group before. I do notice they load very loose, a powerbelt seems stiff compared to these.

Oh well, just blow off what i have left and not touch them again. This is real disappointing.

I tried them a couple years ago, didn't have any luck with them either. The groups were HORRIBLE.

They shot quite well in two out of 3 of my guns but I consider them and PB's obsolete since the FPB and Thor came out, they shoot good in all my guns and the FPB is reasonable priced.

Did you try a 50yard shot? The FPB have worked great for me too.

Yes i've tried 50 yards and with pyrodex rs they shot great but once you are out at 100 yards, you cant keep them on paper. I will see what else i can do with them.