ballistics for 300 yd shot
 

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Excellent info Chet, after seeing that chart i think i would keep the shot at .250 max, with that particular bullet.a bit heavier bullet would be nice at 300 yds. something like a .225-.240 gr? i sure wish Harvester would market a .220-.240 gr PT gold for the .40 cal

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Wind drift say 00. What direction are you shooting?

up to 300 yards
 

I have a Leupold Ultimate Slam S.A.B.R that can shoot a Hornady 250gr. SST bulleye at 50,100,150,200,250,and 300 yards with a maximum offset of 1" at 300 yards.
Taureaunoir

Well my .45 cal is supposed to be here tomorrow. i will be trying out a variety of .40 cal bullets that i have purchased. SST,XTP and someone is sending me some .40 200 gr noslers.i still feel the .40 cal bullets in the .220 gr would be the best of both worlds, as far as accuracy and terminal performance for long range .45 shooting.that being said, i guess i have to make due with what's out there presently:confused0024:thanks for the info!

http://www.nikonhunting.com/spoton/turrets/ Thought this is interesting, since Ron is having such good luck with the leupold version. i even have a 3-9X40 Nikon buck mater scope lying around.wouldn't need to buy a BDC, just send mine in with my bullet choice info and have it fitted with the turrets..

When i went to the link, and filled in the form for bullet of choice etc., i came away thinking one didn't have to send the scope in for some reason. One thing i didn't particularly care for, is one has to use the choices provided in the drop downs, but i am sure one can make it work somehow. If i had a Nikon, i would certainly give it a try for $100.

Ron, i just assumed one needed to send it in. i will give them a call and find out for certain.yes if it works like it does on you Leupold scopes, it's well worth it.

Chet,

I presume you have an app that makes correlation between powder charge and barrel length? Your 45 barrel is short, if i recall correctly. The chart pictured has the information for my 45 elite, with a conservative muzzle velocity. The ballistic chart seems to show that the shockwave from the elite could kill deer all the way out to near 400 yard. How crazy would that be? 130g of powder in my rifle would exceed the 2270 fps muzzle velocity shown on the chart quite easily.

Pictured below is the cds dial on the 45 elite; one can see it readily turns to 375 yard, and perhaps beyond. The scope is a 3-9 ultra-light, and i plan on giving the scope and rifle a work out this spring on prairie dogs. For this upcoming doe season, i hope to use your extreme.

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Chet,

With your 26" barrels, and using BH209 your ballistic will be better than you think, i think; more like the chart calculated by Lee Loader posted in my post.

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I also have a Leupold Ultimate Slam MLer Scope with the S.A.B.R. sure I had that baby diald in at 200++yds but never in my wildest dreams would I even consider a shot at 300yds. Now Im NOT saying you'd do it but I like at least 900ft lbs of energy to do the job. Im not sure even if you's get that much that even the ft lbs could help you.
At 200yds I have watched the bullet in flight to the target, just imagine what would happen at 300 if the deer took just one step, your good shot just turned into a bad one. A MLer is just that a MLer, it's not a rifle. Im sure if I hit it just right I could take a deer with my Bow at 300yds, but would I try it, no.
I've taken shots at 150-175yds and worried that something could go wrong. It might look good on paper or in the data reports, but in real life it's totally different, they dont show the what if's or could happens.
If a deer is at 300yds it's because you could'nt get any closer, I would never brag that I shot a deer at 300yds, my buddys would look at me like Im NUT's and why the heck would I even try a stupid thing like that.
Anythings possible but the other possibilities are endless.
(BP)

Of course I agree with BP, but you guys aren't talking about wind drift at all.

The bullets you're talking about have lousy BC's. They're going to get blown around quite a bit at 300yds. It's much harder to judge than elevation.

True, but so what. The only way i ever manage to hit anything i shoot at, is if the guiding hand pushes the bullet into the deer. Any long range success i have, isn't because i am a good shot.

Ron,Fortunately the wind isn't always a factor, when it is common sense kicks in and either you get closer or pass the shot up.i passed on a good buck 4 years ago with my 25-06 at 400 yds. the wind was blowing to darn hard and i didn't want to take a chance and wound him.if the had not been blowing so hard, he would have been riding back to my house in the back of my jeep..

Myself, i am trying to figure out what is worse for this country.

Is it the democrats that have created a slew of bums with their hands out, and planted wolves, protected grizzly, protected lion, protected beautiful trees so they never become saw logs. The trees fall and rot or burn, saw mills shut down, mill workers are furloughed. Companies providing jobs, and products are taxed more, more, and more, until they move away, the help goes unemployed and no longer pay taxes, nor do the companies that move out of country or out of state.

Is it you republicans that wish to impose your beliefs, and opinions on others that are just trying to put some meat in the freezer? We use the wrong kind of muzzle loader, or we shoot too far, or we like the look of pretty antlers. We don't hunt the way you want us to, so we aren't as good of a hunter as you are, or we are stoopid.

For forty year, i put elk meat in the freezer. Closest kill was 30 feet, furthest was 300 yard. Some cows i killed, because they stayed with their calf, that couldn't walk any further, because i wouldn't quit. There were times i was glad when the elk i was trailing, and smelling, busted me, and ran off, so i could relax after an hour of being so very very tense, and close to a shot. Other times i would be lucky tracking them elk, and when the elk was dead, then and only then could the built up tension fade away. We killed for the meat, but loved the hunt. How many times when hunting after my elk tag was filled, i got the drop on a nice 6 point, removed the cartridge from the chamber, and counted coup by pulling the trigger, and seeing the cross hair never wavered.

Our son's first deer was a humdinger. He was 9. He shot, and the deer ran off with blood splattering both sides of the trail. Lung shot i thought, and the blood was being blown out both sides as the deer breathed. No the blood was too dark it seemed. When we failed to find it after over 100 yard, i asked him where he aimed. In the middle he said. But.........i said. Not forward i said. No he said, in the middle he said. The blood gradually petered out. The snow went away. We were looking for and finding one spot of blood in 50 feet. We gave up, but looked some more. We were at it for hours. We lost the trail, We heard Ravens down below; went down there; found blood. The trail in the dust headed up. We gave up for the nth time. The buck, a nice 4 point was lying under a dead tree looking at us. The blood spattered on both sides of the trail because his innards were dangling, and swung blood back and forth as he ran. Went back to camp for the truck, and one of the good old boys back there came with us to get the boy's first deer. He told the boy how nice his buck was. The boy was all puffed up. The boy was treated like a hero in camp that night.

Today, i no longer hunt elk, but hunt an extended season, because of the muzzle loader. Putting meat in the freezer is a priority, the hunt itself is a necessity. No longer can i hunt the timber. Too many lion they say. Hunt the prairie they say. Oh boy, i say.

Two days ago i killed a deer with iron sights. The state dictates i use iron sights during the designated muzzle loader season. The front sight looks like an hour glass to me, unless i squint real hard and tight. When i squint real hard and tight the deer becomes difficult to see. It seems to me you superior moral republicans would have me stay home, and not hunt, because it is difficult for me to make the shot. I violate no legal regulations, and kill deer. The shot is hard for me to make. The 140 yard shot i made 2 days ago may be as difficult for me to make as the 350 yard shot using a scope with a cds dial may be when i make it. Both shots require a helping hand on the bullet. The shots i make, i make with a helping hand; i cannot do it alone.

What is the big deal? Why do you fellas feel compelled to get me to hunt the way you want me to? Why do you keep preaching your beliefs to me? Why can't i hunt the way i have always hunted these past 50 year?

The meat is important to us. The hunt is a necessity. I am compelled to do my utmost to put meat in the freezer. I violate no game laws. I take all the shots. Short shots, long shots, i try them all. Passing up a shot results in zero dead deer. Taking the shot may result in zero dead deer. Taking the shot may result in food for all them critters i share the world with. Taking the shot may result in meat in the freezer.

Ron you don't have to explain yourself to anyone and I do agree with what your saying. I'm not sure what anyone's political status has to do with anything but I like to refer to the ones you are talking about as "hypocritical elitists or purists" (spelling?). Oh narrow minded would be another good one to throw in there. I'm sure there is more.

Ron, sorry if i offended you and i don't think i did.the wind i was talking about was extreme,gusting over 40 mph.was just conversation!

No offense taken.

Why can't you and others understand that I have strong opinions, and i'm not afraid to voice them. I never ever tried to tell anyone to do it my way. I simply said what I like. You all like to label people by calling them a purist/elitist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I could care less how anybody else hunts. As long as it doesn't affect me in my hunts.

The big difference is...... i'm not bothered by someone not liking how I hunt, but you all have to calling me names, because I don't like your hunting method.

Whatever.

The problem with it Muley is you voice an opinion in a thread that highlights, "what you do not do" or the way "you do not hunt" So all your input is your, one sided opinion.

If it is something you dont do or dont hunt with or dont whatever, why post in the thread?

I have a friend that always says "you cant get em if you dont shoot at em" Im also fortunate to be able to use a scope and sabots during our muzzleloading season, this helps a-lot, I remember the old days when it was patch and round ball only with no scopes and not even fiber optic sights, I had to take those shots that were tough if I wanted a deer, the font sight seemed to cover half of the deer, but I had to do what I had to do if I wanted venesion on the table.
Im also fortunate to always seem to fill the freezer for the year and am able to pass on them longer shots so I dont need to take them and Im not in the situation that you are to do so, if I was then I'd do as you. The guiding hand has been good to me.
If I had to take long shots to help feed my family then I'd probably do it, I just dont know as like I said I've been lucky and the Good Lord has been good to me.
Now if I was financially stable and could afford to fill the freezer with potorhouse and t-bones, then I would pass on them long shots because Im not going to chance wounding a deer just to take one and not really need the meat. But if I needed the meat than I'd shoot to fill.
Now Im not imposing that you or anyone else is financially challenged if you take long shots. The person that pulls the trigger has to live with his shot and it's there choice to shoot at whatever distance they chose, it's not mine. I also did'nt meant to offend you or anyone else even though I am a Republican:hail: this had nothing to do with my reply above in my other comment, it never crossed my mind, I was just saying that we all owe our best shot and nothing more to all the animals we hunt. But if the Democratic lead Pelosi team had there way we would'nt have to worry about taking any shot, because we would'nt be hunting at all anymore.
This is'nt a political fight, it's a moral fight. Do whatever you or anyone else has to do to feed there family, that's the most inportant thing.
I wish you all the best and may all your shots be true. May you and your family have a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
(BP)

I thought this was funny., since you guys are getting political now.




Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Southerner?









































• Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
• What is a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP?
• Does the man look poor or oppressed?
• Is he really a terrorist? Am I guilty of profiling?
• Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
• Could we run away?
• What does my wife think?
• What about the kids?
• Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
• What does the law say about this situation?
• Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it?
• Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
• Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
• Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
• If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
• Should I call 9-1-1?
• Why is this street so deserted?
• We need to raise taxes, have paint & weed day.
• Can we make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
• I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
• This is all so confusing!

Forums are for voicing opinions no? It's just my nature to bust someones chops. All my friends do it, and I grew up that way. It's easily misunderstood on forums for sure. If I did it in person with you guys. You'd just laugh it off. I don't hide behind a keyboard. It's just the way I am all the time. I do it with total strangers, and never have a problem.

Certain personalities will never get along with me. I ignore those types in real life, but I can't do that on forums. I call them my forum warts.

:lmao:
(BP)

Shooting a muzzleloader and it's limitations is a choice, not a requirement to hunt. If your only goal is to get meat for your family. Why in the world would you limit yourself with a muzzleloader?

I'm not buying it.

The problem with this is you call it bustin chops, all the time! But when someone goes right back at you with their view "that differs from yours" Bustin your chops, then you take it personal and have a problem with it.


In your own words,

Why can't you and others understand that I have strong opinions, and i'm not afraid to voice them. I never ever tried to tell anyone to do it my way. I simply said what I like. You all like to label people by calling them a purist/elitist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I could care less how anybody else hunts. As long as it doesn't affect me in my hunts.

The big difference is...... i'm not bothered by someone not liking how I hunt, but you all have to calling me names, because I don't like your hunting method.



SOOOO, Why can't you understand????


We aren't either so quit taking it personal. you cant say your bustin our chops and then when we do the same to you, you say we are attacking you, more or less.

I personally shoot a mler for one reason.

I live in a shotgun only state and a MLer will shoot farther more accurately!!!! Period.

So, because you choose to limit yourself, why should we????

I was referring to what Ron posted about hunting for meat.

You find it highly unlikely a bullet could travel a mile and a half, when shot into the sky but you can see a small bullet traveling 1200-1700 FPS. Has superman been reborn?

You put too much into me being that bothered. There is a difference though. I start off by ragging on how you hunt. I get in return comments about me personally. Not my hunting method. I don't think one time anybody has said anything about still hunting.

If I say tree stands and baiting is too easy, and still hunting is more of a challenge. Shouldn't your comeback be about still hunting? I never get that. Instead, I get i'm an elitist, or I probably don't even hunt.

What sort of reaction to you expect me to have?

Anyway, it the grand scheme of life. It's not important as some make it out to be. We're all hunters who use different methods. The problem is, some of you have a tight stick up your butt, and have no sense of humor. :p

Hunting is not that serious. It's a hobby.

it is called different terrain, I am willing to bet you would starve to death in my woods, trying to still hunt. It is soo thick, you will never get close enough to shoot a deer. They will hear you 150yds. before you get to them and you will never see them, unless they cut out in an open field. It is all underbrush and thorns, there is no being quite

So no, not everyone is going to hunt like you do and we are not going to hunt like you. There is more out there, than Colorado.

You know what.....BITE ME!
Why would I make something up like this if it was'nt the truth, Im not that stupid to post a comment that is'nt 100% the truth. I've seen this happen twice, both times the deer was standing in a snow covered field feeding, the distances were around 125yds, yes I did see the bullet in flight and hit the deer. Even my buddy asked me why ar'nt you reloading your MLer after I took the shot, I told him because I saw the bullet hit dead center lungs, the deer is done, he was.
Im sure others will back me up on this and mabey you need some glasses. Have'nt you ever watched someone else at the range shoot a MLer at a target, you can see the bullet in flight, mabey I do have superman eyes.
And dont take the (Bite Me) to heart.
(BP)

I probably can't see them anymore, but I used to be able to spot .22 LR bullets in flight pretty often. I can easily believe that someone might be capable of spotting a larger bullet at a faster speed, and BP doesn't claim to be able to see them all - just once in awhile when conditions are just right.

Because they hear you 150yds away? I grew up hunting Mass.

You seem to think your way is the only way to hunt your hunting grounds? Kind of an elitist huh? :wave:

Back to the original comments..... I believe a guy called Spaniel (forget if it was this forum or another) had quite a few long range kills well over 200 and some over 300 yards. I believe his load was a 200 Shockwave launched at a "mere" 2,050 fps. If I recall his longest shot was a doe at 338 yards, DRT. Now I don't know the energy of that load at that distance, but it certainly is below 900 foot-pounds of energy.

He also practiced shooting A LOT at long ranges, and was able to make many, many consistent kills in the 200 - 300 yard range. He also I believe said that if it was windy out, he didn't bother trying to shoot at those ranges.

I understand all about hunting for meat, and the importance of it. I have taken difficult shots at times because we needed a deer for the meat. Sometimes I missed, sometimes I hit, usually hit, though. I've only taken one "stupid" shot at a deer - I know my limitations, and this was way beyond those. Soon after I started hunting with a muzzy, I took a 250 yard shot (offhand) at a doe. My load was a 225 grain Powerbelt and 70 grains T7. At that time I had not shot the rifle past 100 yards, and my 100 yard groups were in the 4" range. Of course I missed. Since then, I more or less know the capabilites of my rifle and load. And I will take "difficult" or "marginal" shots if I feel I have a decent chance of hitting them, but I no longer take "stupid" shots....

Apparently i didn't write clearly. I will try to express my thoughts more better this post.

What i wrote was the hunt is a necessity. What i mean is hunting has been a way of life for me for a long long while. What i mean is i like the time i spend hunting far more than time i spend watching TV, or in the shop, or whatever. Hunting is necessary for my well being.

Deer meat in the freezer is important, but not necessary. Whilst hunting, i do my best to put meat in the freezer. If we have no deer meat, we shan't starve; we have money we haven't even spent yet.

The season right now is muzzle loader season. The only way i can put meat in the freezer is with a muzzle loader with iron sights. The month of November saw me hunt the hills during rifle season with i scoped muzzle loader. Then i used an X7 with a scope mounted. In the timber, i never once felt handicapped using a scoped muzzle loader compared to using a scoped center fire. Out on the prairie, a center fire would be some better than a muzzle loader during the rifle season. Previously in this thread the ballistics of my 45 were shown. Putting meat in the freezer is important; not necessary. I would rather carry the 45 muzzle loader during the prairie rifle season than a center fire rifle. That is just me. Now, during muzzle loader season, i use an X7 with a peep sight whilst hunting the prairie, and will until muzzle loader season ends, or unless the late doe rifle season is on. I can't focus on the front sight.

Putting meat in the freezer is important, not necessary. I will carry the rifle of my choice. If some think i should shoot prb for the conditions i hunt in, that is their right, and it is my right not to do so. Still hunting is how i hunt. I do it; i don't preach it. Folks that can hunt from a blind or a tree stand have my blessing.

If i see a deer, and if there is what i deem a shot, i will take it. If i miss so be it. If the deer is killed, i have had help guiding the bullet, and i have accomplished the least important part of the hunt, but there will be meat. If i do the worst thing possible, and the deer is gut shot, the chickadee, jay, crow, eagle, lion, coyote, maggot, beetle, turkey, etc, get the meat, not wife and i.

I went back, and reread my last post. I didn't see where anybody was called a name.

Back when I was in the Marine Corps we could see the vapor trails from the 5.56mm when shooting at 500 meters during qualification week. It was only possible on cool mornings when the humidity was high. The guy standing behind the shooter could call the shot before it was marked in the buts. It was great fun seeing who could call it correctly.