I was referring to what Ron posted about hunting for meat.

You find it highly unlikely a bullet could travel a mile and a half, when shot into the sky but you can see a small bullet traveling 1200-1700 FPS. Has superman been reborn?

You put too much into me being that bothered. There is a difference though. I start off by ragging on how you hunt. I get in return comments about me personally. Not my hunting method. I don't think one time anybody has said anything about still hunting.

If I say tree stands and baiting is too easy, and still hunting is more of a challenge. Shouldn't your comeback be about still hunting? I never get that. Instead, I get i'm an elitist, or I probably don't even hunt.

What sort of reaction to you expect me to have?

Anyway, it the grand scheme of life. It's not important as some make it out to be. We're all hunters who use different methods. The problem is, some of you have a tight stick up your butt, and have no sense of humor. :p

Hunting is not that serious. It's a hobby.

it is called different terrain, I am willing to bet you would starve to death in my woods, trying to still hunt. It is soo thick, you will never get close enough to shoot a deer. They will hear you 150yds. before you get to them and you will never see them, unless they cut out in an open field. It is all underbrush and thorns, there is no being quite

So no, not everyone is going to hunt like you do and we are not going to hunt like you. There is more out there, than Colorado.

You know what.....BITE ME!
Why would I make something up like this if it was'nt the truth, Im not that stupid to post a comment that is'nt 100% the truth. I've seen this happen twice, both times the deer was standing in a snow covered field feeding, the distances were around 125yds, yes I did see the bullet in flight and hit the deer. Even my buddy asked me why ar'nt you reloading your MLer after I took the shot, I told him because I saw the bullet hit dead center lungs, the deer is done, he was.
Im sure others will back me up on this and mabey you need some glasses. Have'nt you ever watched someone else at the range shoot a MLer at a target, you can see the bullet in flight, mabey I do have superman eyes.
And dont take the (Bite Me) to heart.
(BP)

I probably can't see them anymore, but I used to be able to spot .22 LR bullets in flight pretty often. I can easily believe that someone might be capable of spotting a larger bullet at a faster speed, and BP doesn't claim to be able to see them all - just once in awhile when conditions are just right.

Because they hear you 150yds away? I grew up hunting Mass.

You seem to think your way is the only way to hunt your hunting grounds? Kind of an elitist huh? :wave:

Back to the original comments..... I believe a guy called Spaniel (forget if it was this forum or another) had quite a few long range kills well over 200 and some over 300 yards. I believe his load was a 200 Shockwave launched at a "mere" 2,050 fps. If I recall his longest shot was a doe at 338 yards, DRT. Now I don't know the energy of that load at that distance, but it certainly is below 900 foot-pounds of energy.

He also practiced shooting A LOT at long ranges, and was able to make many, many consistent kills in the 200 - 300 yard range. He also I believe said that if it was windy out, he didn't bother trying to shoot at those ranges.

I understand all about hunting for meat, and the importance of it. I have taken difficult shots at times because we needed a deer for the meat. Sometimes I missed, sometimes I hit, usually hit, though. I've only taken one "stupid" shot at a deer - I know my limitations, and this was way beyond those. Soon after I started hunting with a muzzy, I took a 250 yard shot (offhand) at a doe. My load was a 225 grain Powerbelt and 70 grains T7. At that time I had not shot the rifle past 100 yards, and my 100 yard groups were in the 4" range. Of course I missed. Since then, I more or less know the capabilites of my rifle and load. And I will take "difficult" or "marginal" shots if I feel I have a decent chance of hitting them, but I no longer take "stupid" shots....

Apparently i didn't write clearly. I will try to express my thoughts more better this post.

What i wrote was the hunt is a necessity. What i mean is hunting has been a way of life for me for a long long while. What i mean is i like the time i spend hunting far more than time i spend watching TV, or in the shop, or whatever. Hunting is necessary for my well being.

Deer meat in the freezer is important, but not necessary. Whilst hunting, i do my best to put meat in the freezer. If we have no deer meat, we shan't starve; we have money we haven't even spent yet.

The season right now is muzzle loader season. The only way i can put meat in the freezer is with a muzzle loader with iron sights. The month of November saw me hunt the hills during rifle season with i scoped muzzle loader. Then i used an X7 with a scope mounted. In the timber, i never once felt handicapped using a scoped muzzle loader compared to using a scoped center fire. Out on the prairie, a center fire would be some better than a muzzle loader during the rifle season. Previously in this thread the ballistics of my 45 were shown. Putting meat in the freezer is important; not necessary. I would rather carry the 45 muzzle loader during the prairie rifle season than a center fire rifle. That is just me. Now, during muzzle loader season, i use an X7 with a peep sight whilst hunting the prairie, and will until muzzle loader season ends, or unless the late doe rifle season is on. I can't focus on the front sight.

Putting meat in the freezer is important, not necessary. I will carry the rifle of my choice. If some think i should shoot prb for the conditions i hunt in, that is their right, and it is my right not to do so. Still hunting is how i hunt. I do it; i don't preach it. Folks that can hunt from a blind or a tree stand have my blessing.

If i see a deer, and if there is what i deem a shot, i will take it. If i miss so be it. If the deer is killed, i have had help guiding the bullet, and i have accomplished the least important part of the hunt, but there will be meat. If i do the worst thing possible, and the deer is gut shot, the chickadee, jay, crow, eagle, lion, coyote, maggot, beetle, turkey, etc, get the meat, not wife and i.

I went back, and reread my last post. I didn't see where anybody was called a name.

Back when I was in the Marine Corps we could see the vapor trails from the 5.56mm when shooting at 500 meters during qualification week. It was only possible on cool mornings when the humidity was high. The guy standing behind the shooter could call the shot before it was marked in the buts. It was great fun seeing who could call it correctly.