Originally Posted by ronlaughlin (Post 3892928)

Myself, i am trying to figure out what is worse for this country.

Is it the democrats that have created a slew of bums with their hands out, and planted wolves, protected grizzly, protected lion, protected beautiful trees so they never become saw logs. The trees fall and rot or burn, saw mills shut down, mill workers are furloughed. Companies providing jobs, and products are taxed more, more, and more, until they move away, the help goes unemployed and no longer pay taxes, nor do the companies that move out of country or out of state.

Is it you republicans that wish to impose your beliefs, and opinions on others that are just trying to put some meat in the freezer? We use the wrong kind of muzzle loader, or we shoot too far, or we like the look of pretty antlers. We don't hunt the way you want us to, so we aren't as good of a hunter as you are, or we are stoopid.

For forty year, i put elk meat in the freezer. Closest kill was 30 feet, furthest was 300 yard. Some cows i killed, because they stayed with their calf, that couldn't walk any further, because i wouldn't quit. There were times i was glad when the elk i was trailing, and smelling, busted me, and ran off, so i could relax after an hour of being so very very tense, and close to a shot. Other times i would be lucky tracking them elk, and when the elk was dead, then and only then could the built up tension fade away. We killed for the meat, but loved the hunt. How many times when hunting after my elk tag was filled, i got the drop on a nice 6 point, removed the cartridge from the chamber, and counted coup by pulling the trigger, and seeing the cross hair never wavered.

Our son's first deer was a humdinger. He was 9. He shot, and the deer ran off with blood splattering both sides of the trail. Lung shot i thought, and the blood was being blown out both sides as the deer breathed. No the blood was too dark it seemed. When we failed to find it after over 100 yard, i asked him where he aimed. In the middle he said. But.........i said. Not forward i said. No he said, in the middle he said. The blood gradually petered out. The snow went away. We were looking for and finding one spot of blood in 50 feet. We gave up, but looked some more. We were at it for hours. We lost the trail, We heard Ravens down below; went down there; found blood. The trail in the dust headed up. We gave up for the nth time. The buck, a nice 4 point was lying under a dead tree looking at us. The blood spattered on both sides of the trail because his innards were dangling, and swung blood back and forth as he ran. Went back to camp for the truck, and one of the good old boys back there came with us to get the boy's first deer. He told the boy how nice his buck was. The boy was all puffed up. The boy was treated like a hero in camp that night.

Today, i no longer hunt elk, but hunt an extended season, because of the muzzle loader. Putting meat in the freezer is a priority, the hunt itself is a necessity. No longer can i hunt the timber. Too many lion they say. Hunt the prairie they say. Oh boy, i say.

Two days ago i killed a deer with iron sights. The state dictates i use iron sights during the designated muzzle loader season. The front sight looks like an hour glass to me, unless i squint real hard and tight. When i squint real hard and tight the deer becomes difficult to see. It seems to me you superior moral republicans would have me stay home, and not hunt, because it is difficult for me to make the shot. I violate no legal regulations, and kill deer. The shot is hard for me to make. The 140 yard shot i made 2 days ago may be as difficult for me to make as the 350 yard shot using a scope with a cds dial may be when i make it. Both shots require a helping hand on the bullet. The shots i make, i make with a helping hand; i cannot do it alone.

What is the big deal? Why do you fellas feel compelled to get me to hunt the way you want me to? Why do you keep preaching your beliefs to me? Why can't i hunt the way i have always hunted these past 50 year?

The meat is important to us. The hunt is a necessity. I am compelled to do my utmost to put meat in the freezer. I violate no game laws. I take all the shots. Short shots, long shots, i try them all. Passing up a shot results in zero dead deer. Taking the shot may result in zero dead deer. Taking the shot may result in food for all them critters i share the world with. Taking the shot may result in meat in the freezer.

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3893021)

Why can't you and others understand that I have strong opinions, and i'm not afraid to voice them. I never ever tried to tell anyone to do it my way. I simply said what I like. You all like to label people by calling them a purist/elitist. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I could care less how anybody else hunts. As long as it doesn't affect me in my hunts.

The big difference is...... i'm not bothered by someone not liking how I hunt, but you all have to calling me names, because I don't like your hunting method.

Whatever.

Originally Posted by ronlaughlin (Post 3892928)

Myself, i am trying to figure out what is worse for this country.

Is it the democrats that have created a slew of bums with their hands out, and planted wolves, protected grizzly, protected lion, protected beautiful trees so they never become saw logs. The trees fall and rot or burn, saw mills shut down, mill workers are furloughed. Companies providing jobs, and products are taxed more, more, and more, until they move away, the help goes unemployed and no longer pay taxes, nor do the companies that move out of country or out of state.

Is it you republicans that wish to impose your beliefs, and opinions on others that are just trying to put some meat in the freezer? We use the wrong kind of muzzle loader, or we shoot too far, or we like the look of pretty antlers. We don't hunt the way you want us to, so we aren't as good of a hunter as you are, or we are stoopid.

For forty year, i put elk meat in the freezer. Closest kill was 30 feet, furthest was 300 yard. Some cows i killed, because they stayed with their calf, that couldn't walk any further, because i wouldn't quit. There were times i was glad when the elk i was trailing, and smelling, busted me, and ran off, so i could relax after an hour of being so very very tense, and close to a shot. Other times i would be lucky tracking them elk, and when the elk was dead, then and only then could the built up tension fade away. We killed for the meat, but loved the hunt. How many times when hunting after my elk tag was filled, i got the drop on a nice 6 point, removed the cartridge from the chamber, and counted coup by pulling the trigger, and seeing the cross hair never wavered.

Our son's first deer was a humdinger. He was 9. He shot, and the deer ran off with blood splattering both sides of the trail. Lung shot i thought, and the blood was being blown out both sides as the deer breathed. No the blood was too dark it seemed. When we failed to find it after over 100 yard, i asked him where he aimed. In the middle he said. But.........i said. Not forward i said. No he said, in the middle he said. The blood gradually petered out. The snow went away. We were looking for and finding one spot of blood in 50 feet. We gave up, but looked some more. We were at it for hours. We lost the trail, We heard Ravens down below; went down there; found blood. The trail in the dust headed up. We gave up for the nth time. The buck, a nice 4 point was lying under a dead tree looking at us. The blood spattered on both sides of the trail because his innards were dangling, and swung blood back and forth as he ran. Went back to camp for the truck, and one of the good old boys back there came with us to get the boy's first deer. He told the boy how nice his buck was. The boy was all puffed up. The boy was treated like a hero in camp that night.

Today, i no longer hunt elk, but hunt an extended season, because of the muzzle loader. Putting meat in the freezer is a priority, the hunt itself is a necessity. No longer can i hunt the timber. Too many lion they say. Hunt the prairie they say. Oh boy, i say.

Two days ago i killed a deer with iron sights. The state dictates i use iron sights during the designated muzzle loader season. The front sight looks like an hour glass to me, unless i squint real hard and tight. When i squint real hard and tight the deer becomes difficult to see. It seems to me you superior moral republicans would have me stay home, and not hunt, because it is difficult for me to make the shot. I violate no legal regulations, and kill deer. The shot is hard for me to make. The 140 yard shot i made 2 days ago may be as difficult for me to make as the 350 yard shot using a scope with a cds dial may be when i make it. Both shots require a helping hand on the bullet. The shots i make, i make with a helping hand; i cannot do it alone.

What is the big deal? Why do you fellas feel compelled to get me to hunt the way you want me to? Why do you keep preaching your beliefs to me? Why can't i hunt the way i have always hunted these past 50 year?

The meat is important to us. The hunt is a necessity. I am compelled to do my utmost to put meat in the freezer. I violate no game laws. I take all the shots. Short shots, long shots, i try them all. Passing up a shot results in zero dead deer. Taking the shot may result in zero dead deer. Taking the shot may result in food for all them critters i share the world with. Taking the shot may result in meat in the freezer.

Originally Posted by Boonechaser (Post 3893024)

The problem with it Muley is you voice an opinion in a thread that highlights, "what you do not do" or the way "you do not hunt" So all your input is your, one sided opinion.

If it is something you dont do or dont hunt with or dont whatever, why post in the thread?

Originally Posted by Grouse45 (Post 3893038)

I thought this was funny., since you guys are getting political now.




Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Southerner?









































• Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
• What is a Kimber 1911 cal. 45 ACP?
• Does the man look poor or oppressed?
• Is he really a terrorist? Am I guilty of profiling?
• Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack?
• Could we run away?
• What does my wife think?
• What about the kids?
• Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
• What does the law say about this situation?
• Does the pistol have appropriate safety built into it?
• Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
• Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
• Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
• If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
• Should I call 9-1-1?
• Why is this street so deserted?
• We need to raise taxes, have paint & weed day.
• Can we make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
• I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.
• This is all so confusing!

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3893039)

Forums are for voicing opinions no? It's just my nature to bust someones chops. All my friends do it, and I grew up that way. It's easily misunderstood on forums for sure. If I did it in person with you guys. You'd just laugh it off. I don't hide behind a keyboard. It's just the way I am all the time. I do it with total strangers, and never have a problem.

Certain personalities will never get along with me. I ignore those types in real life, but I can't do that on forums. I call them my forum warts.

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3893041)

Shooting a muzzleloader and it's limitations is a choice, not a requirement to hunt. If your only goal is to get meat for your family. Why in the world would you limit yourself with a muzzleloader?

I'm not buying it.