what we think the top 10 muzzleloaders general public is buying
#21
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 360
Well I personally didnt read anywhere in this thread where anyone said that their muzzleloader shot better than a cva or that a cheap mler didn't shoot as well as an exspensive one. I think you are reading that in yourself.
But I will say that in my hands my tc's feel better made and the cva's are no where in the class of a knight when it comes to quality. I do believe bergera barrels are great but, I like the green mountains better.
But I will say that in my hands my tc's feel better made and the cva's are no where in the class of a knight when it comes to quality. I do believe bergera barrels are great but, I like the green mountains better.
#22
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 360
I also don't believe anyone said people that buy cva do so because they are broke or don't have any money. As I said the people around me just buy the cheapest thing they can find to allow them to hunt longer.
I bought a 800 dollar gun 20yrs. Ago when I made 4.25 an hour and was supporting a wife and kid. You don't have to have money to buy an exspensive gun, just have to save longer. I also have a buddy that makes 115,000 a year and uses a wolf.
I bought a 800 dollar gun 20yrs. Ago when I made 4.25 an hour and was supporting a wife and kid. You don't have to have money to buy an exspensive gun, just have to save longer. I also have a buddy that makes 115,000 a year and uses a wolf.
#23
I don't where MM got where someone was out of work.
for me, I have not been able to get out and hunt because of work this year. I was not able to get to the range as much i wanted to because of leg injury due to work, that put me behind getting into the field by less then an week.
my personal collection
2 knights that I found at an good deal
1 win apex (cva kodiak) that i bought off md
1 cva plainsman flint lock (good deal on it)
2 cva hawken 50 and 54 cal (traded an rifle for one and built the other from parts)
1 stone mountain silver eagle (traditions based rifle)
I know all are great shooters once I get the glitches worked out.
really did not want an major debate, just what we have seen other used.
for me, I have not been able to get out and hunt because of work this year. I was not able to get to the range as much i wanted to because of leg injury due to work, that put me behind getting into the field by less then an week.
my personal collection
2 knights that I found at an good deal
1 win apex (cva kodiak) that i bought off md
1 cva plainsman flint lock (good deal on it)
2 cva hawken 50 and 54 cal (traded an rifle for one and built the other from parts)
1 stone mountain silver eagle (traditions based rifle)
I know all are great shooters once I get the glitches worked out.
really did not want an major debate, just what we have seen other used.
#25
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 360
WOW, everyone is reading into MM's post more than he said. He DID NOT say anyone was out of work. He said if people didn't start buying and supporting american companies, they might find themselves out of work.
Well MD are you going to answer the question of where you got your facts about the wolf being the #1 saler or did you just pull that from where the sun don't shine?
Well MD are you going to answer the question of where you got your facts about the wolf being the #1 saler or did you just pull that from where the sun don't shine?
#26
Fork Horn
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 360
I think the general public is buying the cheapest muzzleloader they can find, which usually means an import. But at least that way when they don't have a job instead of sitting around whining they can use their free time to hunt. Except that being out of work they probably wont have money for gas, powder, bullets and the like. The general public lost all semblance of common sense a long time ago.
Didn't say people buy CVA because their cheap....didn't even mention CVA
Didn't say that people out of work buy CVA's. he said people need to buy American before we all do not have a job
That is the message i think he was trying to get across.
#27
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,037
I agree that buying American is important. I saw something on the news that said if everyone would just buy one American made product for Christmas how much it would boost our economy and create jobs.
I realize that it has become very difficult to buy only American products but if we all supported our country buy buying as much American made merchandise as possible we will all gain. A couple extra bucks here and there for products will be soon repaid in full.
At least I think that is what Chet was trying to point out.
I realize that it has become very difficult to buy only American products but if we all supported our country buy buying as much American made merchandise as possible we will all gain. A couple extra bucks here and there for products will be soon repaid in full.
At least I think that is what Chet was trying to point out.
#28
Here i will pull it along to refresh memories......
Didn't say people buy CVA because their cheap....didn't even mention CVA
Didn't say that people out of work buy CVA's. he said people need to buy American before we all do not have a job
That is the message i think he was trying to get across.
Didn't say people buy CVA because their cheap....didn't even mention CVA
Didn't say that people out of work buy CVA's. he said people need to buy American before we all do not have a job
That is the message i think he was trying to get across.
(BP)
#29
But at least that way when they don't have a job instead of sitting around whining they can use their free time to hunt. Except that being out of work they probably wont have money for gas, powder, bullets and the like
but I have said this as well in past threads. you have to think about the american support for the imports that is based here in the states. you go and put them out of work too because they work for an company that imports guns?