New inline ??
 

If you were to purchase a new Inline today which would it be??
I am currently using a knight revolution which I purchased a few years ago and have been very pleased with it but the idea of a new one has crossed my mind (and you know how that goes) Thanks Doc

Me, i would purchase a wood stocked Omega.

If money was not the problem it would be a Knight Mountaineer or a T/C Triumph

I know it's not an inline but, get yourself a nice kit gun and build it yourself. You will cherish it that much more. I say "nice", but even an inexpensive one will serve you well and you will still love the fact that you have put your own personal touch into its manufacture.

CVA Optima thumbhole

Knight Mountaineer

I'm gonna grab me a triumph after January.

That's a tough one. I would probably opt for the .45 cal ACCURA V2 thumbhole. I have 1 .45 and 2 .50 cals, so this would even the score. Buy my next muzzy purchase will be a Lyman Great Plains rifle...

I would say one of the knights disc one great gun but its what you like and files good to you have fun

T/C Omega or the Triumph. If I could find one for the right price, I'd get one of the Savage guns that can shoot smokeless.

I have watched all the posts about all the new MZ's. And all the available MZ's. I think I would have to take a look at another Knight LRH. I really haven't seen any rifle to top that rifle. But please keep in mind that I like a rifle to be on the heavy side. And the LRH is on the heavy side. I believe weight or heft in a rifle is important to field accuracy. And I worry little about carry weight.

However if money was not an issue then I woud look real close at one of the smokelss models being custom made on the Remington 700 action. Or possibly one of the NULA smokeless rifles. Those are the only two that I believe would out do my current Knight LRH(there are a few more custom options out there). Tom.

For a dedicated muzzle loader the Triumph is the best so far, as I can tell, it shoots a wide range of bullets with a load that is heavy enough for a good trajectory. If you want a convertible to various cartridges my pick would be the Endeavor, its expensive but its the best I have ever owned and I have a bunch and have sold a bunch that are out dated.
If you are stuck on bolt actions there is the new Mountaineer, but a bolt action muzzleloader? a bolt cartridge gun is strong and accurate but with a breach plug gun a bolt just adds weight and wastes barrel length and the bolt does not add to the strength if you do not believe that just look at one closely and you can see that the design of the bolt is not to hold on to the barrel as it does in a cartridge gun.
The Omega is a fine gun I have one and like it and if price is a concern you might want to go that way. Personally I would avoid that foreign stuff if every one did this country would not be in trouble for jobs.

The actual bolt has absolutely nothing to do with making a bolt actoin rifle a stronger rifle(in an MZ). The strength is due to a solid one piece action(instead of a breaking open). And the strength is also attributable to the fact that a one piece stock is considerably stronger(not just stronger-but considerably stronger) than a two-piece stock.

Discussing whether one particular rifle is more accurate than another particular rifle is not the point when it comes to overall action strength.

There is no doubt a bolt action design is considerably stronger than a break action. And a strong action is inherently a more accurate action.

Please note I am not saying a break action rifle is not strong enough. It is strong enough. No doubt it is strong enough. However it simply is not nearly as strong as a bolt action rifle.

Just look at all the custom MZ mfrs. that make custom long range MZ's. How many are break actions vs. how many are bolts?? All are bolts that I know about. Please show me one that is not.

I am not looking for any argument here. But merely a discussion. If you think a break action is a stronger action then please supply some proof. Strong enough---yes I will agree. But stronger-no way, not even close. Tom.

And 99% of the bolt actions use smokeless powder, not low pressure black powder.

I did a two minute search of custom Long Range MZ makers. I found 7 in two minutes. Out of the seven my findings are as followed:I found four were smokeless and three were not. So almost half the custom makers are not made for smokeless.

Now I am sure these numbers can be refined. But not all the custom bolt action MZ's are designed for smokeless. What you said above is simply not true.

99% ARE NOT designed for Smokeless only. Below are the links to the three I found in about one or two minutes.

However please note. EVERY SINGLE ONE are BOLT ACTIONS!! Tom.


http://ultimatefirearms.com/

http://www.huntsinc.com/m-32-muzzleloaders.aspx

http://www.gunwerks.com/shooting-sys...ge-system.aspx

wow check out the prices. Rich mans toy.

Bolt action is dead when it comes to the mass market.

Ya, some of those prices are crazy. I would have to sell my truck to afford a couple of them. I wonder what they think they are building to make some of the prices so high?? Tom.

I haven't a clue. That one for $7,000 just makes me laugh. Love to kick the person in the butt who came up with that price.

Even the cheap one for $2800 is a joke.

For me personally I'm currently working on a .45 barrel for a TC Contender G2. It's a bit smaller and lighter than a lot of others and from what I can tell it's as accurate as any other ML on the market.
If I were going to buy a dedicated ML it would be the Mountaineer. Right now they're just out of my budget.

Wow, such strong language over a price. Perhaps you don't realize, you can choose not to pay the price, by not purchasing them rifle. There is no need to hurt an individual because of what they think their product is worth. Perhaps if one considers how much craftsmanship goes into them expensive rifle, they won't seem so expensive.

As one who has workings with my hands to make a living most of my life, i cannot begrudge another for trying to get a fair price for their work. These 'expensive' rifle probably worth more than what they are asking. Wife has tried to sell my hand made products at craft shows, but doesn't try any longer. She has priced my work for far less than they are worth to me, but they still don't sell. People pick up my work, and open drawers, and feel the finish, and make comments like, wow, this sure is nicely made etc. In the end, they end up purchasing something similar at Walmart.

If one really thinks on it, it could be that rifles like the Accura, are over priced, considering what labor costs are where they are made. It could be the Mountaineer is under priced, considering labor costs. I am not saying, i am just saying.

Perhaps those who buy that foreign stuff don't realize they are selling this countries jobs. I have heard one person who drives a foreign car shoots a foreign gun buys foreign cameos complain about the company he worked for moving out and him losing his job. Even losing his job did not teach him where the problem is.

Knight moutaineer or LRH. T/C products are first rate as long as you only shoot sabots (no conical bullets).

The QLA (false muzzle) on the T/C products make shooting conicals a 50/50 proposition at best. Some will and some wont shoot them. See my thread on my Omega shooting conicals for an example: http://www.modernmuzzleloader.com/ph...ic.php?t=20999

Never shot a Triumph, but as I understand it, they have the same QLA as the Omega. IF you call T/C, they will say the Triumph/Omega is for sabots and they won't guarantee accuracy for conicals.

If you get a knight, I would recommend the bare primer lehigh conversion. Works great with BH 209.

Sorry gents but $7,000 for a muzzleloader? I think not! A few thousand more and you can have a nice .50cal Barret.

mountaineer is over priced considering their breech plug problems.

What breech plug problems?

Why do you always try to deflect by going to a Knight are always that insecure?

Im sure you know those who've had problems with their plugs. I don't blame them for keeping their mouths shut to be honest. You guys jumped on josh for his problem rather than helping him.

And you are wrong on that one also... josh got his problem handled very quickly - should even have the gun back by now.

Jason on the other hand was one frustrated person with a whole bunch of problems with Knight. Even that has been taken or is being taken care of. All he had to do was contact Knight - which he did.

I talked to him yesterday and he was feeling better about the whole thing - he had some other problems in play that accelerated his frustration and it was not associated with Knight.

But it would be nice if you would not fabricate stuff to fit your needs when things are not going your way.

very quickly? Yes after he had a run around and then grouse got it fixed for him.

It makes me wonder why all these years you used to push tc and now... all of the sudden its knight. Hmm

The gun i want is no longer made. i'm considering putting ads all over the place for a nice used TC Black Diamond gun with a wood stock and the shorter barrel.

falcon, gunbroker!

Because he doesn't like negative attention on CVA. Which as you noticed, he has sucessfully changed the subject to Knight's fabricated breech plug problem.

Notice the subject is no longer CVA being made overseas (fact) but rather now on Knight for a (isolated) problem. I had to add Muley Hunter to my ignore list so I could go back to enjoying the site. I guess I'll have to do the same for him as well.

TN Why would you want to do that. I find his posts entertaining.Very predictable,but maybe that is the reason.

Charlie

Fist TNhagies I had several people who have pm'd me that have sold there Knights because of breech plug issues and I have a problem as well with the plug I bought and have a second bare 209 conversion plug that is pretty rough as well....:party0007:

The problem I have with Knight is other people new what was up with my rifle before me the customer did.........:hit:

OK Jason - I give up! All those guys that PM'ed you must not have called Knight either because the manufacturer has not heard about all these problems either.

Accura V2. I posted a review of why.

Several of them are on the forum and dont like the fact that anytime a Knight issue is brought up that person gets flamed !!!!

I have read on this forum about people needing a mallet to close there bolt on the plug