The devil's advocate
11-03-2011, 08:44 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Clifton, VA
Posts: 1,101
I am only about 4 years into muzzleloading. I have only one gun, an Omega X7. I get to the range maybe once every other week outside of hunting season. So I shoot much less than some, but quite a bit more than the "sight in once a year before the season" crowd.
BH209 is all I've ever used so I can't easily compare it to the other subs or true black powder. I do like the not swabbing and consistency of measuring/loading.
The main thing I like about the powder is its relative non-corrosiveness. Often, after getting back home from sneaking out to the range (or a hunt), life takes over and I'm dealing with my kids. Next thing I know, three days have passed and I have not yet gotten to cleaning my gun. Never had a corrosion problem. Even without trying the other subs, I am pretty sure I would regret not immediately cleaning my ML after a shoot.
BH209 is all I've ever used so I can't easily compare it to the other subs or true black powder. I do like the not swabbing and consistency of measuring/loading.
The main thing I like about the powder is its relative non-corrosiveness. Often, after getting back home from sneaking out to the range (or a hunt), life takes over and I'm dealing with my kids. Next thing I know, three days have passed and I have not yet gotten to cleaning my gun. Never had a corrosion problem. Even without trying the other subs, I am pretty sure I would regret not immediately cleaning my ML after a shoot.
11-03-2011, 09:04 AM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
Well to each his own.
I spend 500 to a 1,000 dollars on a gun I spend time and money getting it set up so it will do what I expect when I do all that I just am not going to shoot any powder but what I like best in that gun, I just think that after getting the best of every thing else in my opinion it pretty cheesy to quibble over a few dollars difference.
And I have yet to have any experienced person that I had respect for tell me something else was better.
What other powder will give 2300 fps + with the same pressure that a 120 grain load of 777 produces? What other powder can you shoot all day and will maintain accuracy with out any swabbing or cleaning? When I used 777 I spent more of my shooting day cleaning out crud ring than all of the rest of the day put together, its is worth the difference in price just by it self for that not to mention getting fine accuracy with loads in a FPS range I could not get with reasonable pressure with any other powder.
Every body has the right to choose its still a free country, I am glad to see some people use Pyrodex and Black we need to keep them in business so we have powder for our Traditional guns they are fun to shoot to. I sincerely wish something as good or better than Blackhorn would come on the market as improvements come from competition but so far I see nothing that even is in the ballpark.
I spend 500 to a 1,000 dollars on a gun I spend time and money getting it set up so it will do what I expect when I do all that I just am not going to shoot any powder but what I like best in that gun, I just think that after getting the best of every thing else in my opinion it pretty cheesy to quibble over a few dollars difference.
And I have yet to have any experienced person that I had respect for tell me something else was better.
What other powder will give 2300 fps + with the same pressure that a 120 grain load of 777 produces? What other powder can you shoot all day and will maintain accuracy with out any swabbing or cleaning? When I used 777 I spent more of my shooting day cleaning out crud ring than all of the rest of the day put together, its is worth the difference in price just by it self for that not to mention getting fine accuracy with loads in a FPS range I could not get with reasonable pressure with any other powder.
Every body has the right to choose its still a free country, I am glad to see some people use Pyrodex and Black we need to keep them in business so we have powder for our Traditional guns they are fun to shoot to. I sincerely wish something as good or better than Blackhorn would come on the market as improvements come from competition but so far I see nothing that even is in the ballpark.
11-03-2011, 09:12 AM
#13
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: IndianaKY
Posts: 244
Why I have not even tried BH209 (or T7 or pellets or ...)
1. Swiss is my powder of choice and it is too expensive most of the time, so I use GOEX. I learned to shoot with Gearhart-Owen.
2. I don't hunt primitive seasons, I am a primitive, neo-luddite hunter.
3. I like the smell of rotten eggs.
4. Swabbing between shots slows things down; makes shooting a couple of groups an afternoon afair.
5. BH209 or pellets look stupid in a flintlock pan.
P.S. Bless me father for I have sinned, I have used a couple of pounds of Pyrodex.
1. Swiss is my powder of choice and it is too expensive most of the time, so I use GOEX. I learned to shoot with Gearhart-Owen.
2. I don't hunt primitive seasons, I am a primitive, neo-luddite hunter.
3. I like the smell of rotten eggs.
4. Swabbing between shots slows things down; makes shooting a couple of groups an afternoon afair.
5. BH209 or pellets look stupid in a flintlock pan.
P.S. Bless me father for I have sinned, I have used a couple of pounds of Pyrodex.
11-03-2011, 09:35 AM
#14
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,037
You make some very good points Lee. I forgot to mention in my post that I mainly shoot conicals so my powder loads are very moderate in comparison to yours. The heavy loads that you shoot would cause a lot of barrel leading for me unless I started paper patching.
11-03-2011, 11:57 AM
#16
Dominant Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
Some very good answers. And in all honesty, about what I expected. As for that deal from Carlos.. that is a good deal. Especially if they pay the shipping. But does that powder require a hazmat fee?
11-03-2011, 12:20 PM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,192
Simple answer. Buy a 5# cannister. They are a good bit less. And your local dealer should not have any problem getting it for you. Do you have a local guy that treats you fairly??
And you don't have to shoot it for your fun shoiting. I agree with you on that. I use straight black powder for that. a 5# cannister should last for awhile if you are just using it for targeting your hunting rifle, and hunting with the powder. Tom.
And you don't have to shoot it for your fun shoiting. I agree with you on that. I use straight black powder for that. a 5# cannister should last for awhile if you are just using it for targeting your hunting rifle, and hunting with the powder. Tom.
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11-03-2011, 12:28 PM
#18
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 11,703
Simple answer. Buy a 5# cannister. They are a good bit less. And your local dealer should not have any problem getting it for you. Do you have a local guy that treats you fairly??
And you don't have to shoot it for your fun shoiting. I agree with you on that. I use straight black powder for that. a 5# cannister should last for awhile if you are just using it for targeting your hunting rifle, and hunting with the powder. Tom.
And you don't have to shoot it for your fun shoiting. I agree with you on that. I use straight black powder for that. a 5# cannister should last for awhile if you are just using it for targeting your hunting rifle, and hunting with the powder. Tom.
OK Semi answered that one - just never seen on any sites - course I was not looking for it either...
Last edited by sabotloader; 11-03-2011 at 12:51 PM.
11-03-2011, 12:35 PM
#19
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: River Ridge, LA (Suburb of New Orleans)
Posts: 10,917
Maybe one of you guys who knows Carlos should see what kind of deal he can make on the 5 lbs.
The Midway USA base price is $220. They don't say if that's a single canister or a case of 8 10 oz. canisters.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/173...ubstitute-5-lb
The Midway USA base price is $220. They don't say if that's a single canister or a case of 8 10 oz. canisters.
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/173...ubstitute-5-lb
Last edited by Semisane; 11-03-2011 at 12:41 PM.
11-03-2011, 12:50 PM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,192
Yes it is definitely available in a 5# cannister. I have one on the way. My local dealer said he could get me one for $174. He said it would take about 3 weeks to get it. He buys from a large powder distributor who travels through our area once a month. And that distributor needs a lead time for all special orders.
I bought two 5# cannister's of Trail Boss last month. I am stocking up heavy on powder. I believe powder is going to really get dificult and expensive to buy in the near future. That is because I think Obama is going to get re-elected. So I have been hoarding components. I might even call him back and add a second 5# cannister of BH-209. It stores well. Tom.
I bought two 5# cannister's of Trail Boss last month. I am stocking up heavy on powder. I believe powder is going to really get dificult and expensive to buy in the near future. That is because I think Obama is going to get re-elected. So I have been hoarding components. I might even call him back and add a second 5# cannister of BH-209. It stores well. Tom.
Last edited by HEAD0001; 11-03-2011 at 12:55 PM.