If I could I would....LOL

We need some 220gr monolithic bullets and some 40-235gr SSTs too. Those should at least still fit available sabots. :p

I would even be kind enough to try them in my 1-22 with BH209. :D

Tom, are you referring to long range shots with a break action? IMHO. if knight builds a break action with a hammer, a solid frame and GMB barrel,quality synthetic stock that isn't a ugly duckling like the vision,sales would be excellent.T/C, and CVA both market break action rifles that are extremely accurate out to 200 yds, with practice and a good bullet choice.

No, I am speaking in generalities.

It is basic firearm knowledge that a bolt action rifle with a solid one piece stock is inherently stronger(thus more accurate) than a rifle with a break action, and a two piece stock. So I was speaking to that point.

IMo if all quality features of two different MZ's are the same. And the only difference is break action versus bolt action. Then I firmly believe the bolt action will be a more accurate rifle every time.

And I do believe this is pretty much common knowledge in the shooting world.

I have several Encore and Contender frames, barrels, and stocks. And I really like them. But I know they are not as inherently accurate as my bolt action rifles. And there are shooting techniques that I must use for my break actions to shoot more accurately. And I do not need to concern myself with those techniques when shooting a bolt action rifle.

So overall the bolt is definitely a more accurate design. Tom.

Ray, didnt Knight already make the break action you are describing here? What about the KP1? It had a good solid frame, external hammer, Green Mountain barrel, and a pretty good synthetic stock that was better than most of the synthetic T/C stocks IMO. The wood stocks were pretty nice as well.

You dont hear much about the KP1 on this forum. That, and the fact the rifle was discontinued tells me it just didnt take off. Not a popular rifle and I dont understand why?

The KP1 should be back in 2012 machined instead of casting. I'm not familiar with the gun but got one on the way.

The strength and accuracy of a good break open action muzzleloader far exceeds the load you can put in it. Unless MOA isn't good enough for a hunting gun? It is for me.

Another advantage of a bolt action is being able to chamber another round. A moot point in a ML.

Now, if you're going to spend your life and all your money at the range. A bolt action MIGHT last longer. For the normal hunter. A break action is just fine, and easier to use.

I was referring to a dedicated break action M/L from Knight. if i am not mistaken, the KP1 was a rifle with interchangeable barrels and the quality and looks just wasn't there and at that time knight was marketing a lot poorly designed rifles.the market tells us a well designed accurate break action will indeed sell well.

I suppose bolts are if your a bench rest shooter:eek2: MOA at 100 yds with a break action,is plenty for myself and the vast majority of people in the M/L.

Knight also made the Shadow near the end of the old ownership but it was a flop. Mainly due to cheaper construction and a saturated break action market. It looked a lot like a Traditions Pursuit but without the exposed hammer.

The KP1 didnt really catch on either but not because of poor quality. The break action CF market already had numerous choices. Some much cheaper and some more expensive with WAY more aftermarket support.

Aftermarket support is one of the best indications of a mass production guns popularity. The KP1 was just a bit too late in the game (for Knight) and didnt get enough attention to inspire the aftermarket to support it. Its one heck of a tough gun though and lots of meat around the chamber/powder column. A revised version might be worth some attention when Knight can supply their current demands.

Find a 45/70 barrel model and convert it to a ML with a breachplug. Its the quick path to a improved fast twist 45cal for testing but IIRC its a 1-18. SMI will convert them for under $150 to SML quality with your choice of breach plug.

IMO they were quite nice looking in laminate and the weight was reasonable.