Knight lovers are going to be happier in 2012
 

I got word on alot of new products coming. Break opens, fast twist 45, and a improved Vision are a few of many. I hope they hire some more people real soon. Thousand plus orders a week are going out and they obviously are not keeping up. They need to start the weekend shift real soon. Lol

Tom is fast twist 1 in 20 or 1 in 24>?

Grouse45

I know last week when i talked to Robin she was a bit uptight about the number of orders they are recieving and not being able to get everything out as fast as she and the front-liners would like. She says that the standard 7-14 days is very hard to stay with as they are shipping so much stuff.

I really think Knight would hope that other e-retailers representatives would pick up more of the orders.

I remember in the old days there was an e-retailer in Michigan (I think) that had everything and got the stuff out really quick.

I am not sure that they know yet... They are going to have to spend some money on R&D on that one.

I know they have done the math as you have but in real world shooting I am not sure they know.

They tried the 1-20 once...

Just out of curiosity what twist are the smokeless guys using in the 45?

This doesn't mean diddly but I really would like to try a 1-24 twist in a 45...

I know Doc White went with a 1-20 twist but he will tell you it was to shoot long heavy lead conicals, he was not much interested in shooting sabots.

Of course this all speculation on my part.

would like to see what they have coming out sounds reel good

Well its good to know that the new products are in such demand from Knight, but its their obligation to hire new employees that can make this work. I am sure they will be doing this, as customer service is key to all companies in this modern day and age.

As for the new rifles, they sound interesting. I guess we just have to wait and see.

A fast twist 45 caliber would be areal good seller I would think. Not necessarily for the average hunter. But I still believe there would be a good market for it. I would like to see it about .458 to duplicate the same diameter as a regular rifle. Plenty of great bullets would be available for that rifle . But .451 would also be pretty good so shooters and hunters could use the Whitworth bullets.

However if they are going after the long range market I don't think a break action would be conducive to sales. Tom.

Glad to hear it. Perhaps that .45 will have to be in my future.

Any word on that other project?

The majority of smokeless 45s are using a 1-22 and well proven with current bullets. It should likely still work well with conventional bullet upto 240-260gr such as the PRs and monolithics upto around 220gr or a bit more. The PRs are only limited by the soft lead which will deform in flight if shot too fast. A plated/bonded or jacketed 40 in that range wouldn't have those limits. Doc actually did have some PowerStar sabots shooting soft lead 350gr bulllets IIRC in the 1-20s in the 1600fps range.

They may sound slow but run it through a calculator out to 250 yards sometime with his advertised BC. ;)

1-24 would be a interesting twist for current bullets and higher speeds. It should still be fast enough for some sabotless weights and conicals. Maybe not as heavy as the White conicals but close.

1-22 would be the easiest for testing since its a common twist offered by many barrel makers. It works with current sabotted bullets from 1900fps-3000fps. BH209 speeds can approach the middle of that number so IMO its a good place to start. It also works with sabotless bullets from 250-325gr in the 2200-2600fps+ range. BH209 has also been tested sabotless with this twist with loads over 120grV with reasonable success if you get the correct bullet to bore fit. Even Bob Parker had one made and was shooting a sabotless 250gr well over 2000fps IIRC with 110grV BH209.

Pressures are surprising low with BH209 sabotless too. Swinglock shot a sabotless 350gr with 84grW and got about 2000fps but he used a 1-18 twist since it was a dedicated sabotless gun. The test barrel showed well under 28k psi with that load. He also wanted to use mainly bullets offered for the 458 class of guns which tend to be heavier.

Knight's target rifle in 45cal (DE658) from the 2006 catalog also used that twist with big conicals for most of its wins at Friendship. IMO that twist would be more dedicated to a single purpose and less flexible with subs. At least until some really heavy bullets are available and new longer sabots to handle them.

Personally i would like to see a 1-24 only because its different and will be fine with current bullet options. It will also give a good chance for success if newer bullets become available. 1-20 still has a bad rep even if it was only due to flawed advertising and older sabot polymers. If you want to encourage the SML crowd to try Knight 45s, a 1-22 would probably have the best chance.

I think Knight should make 100 .45s with the 1:24 and 100 in the 1:20 and send one to each of us for field testing. I'm sure we could run them through the gauntlet and give them sufficient feedback. What you say Grouse? Want to get that suggestionout to them? We could send you all our addresses.