So, this is what I got back this morning straight from the factory....
Apex & Accura... :happy0001:
All others, not so much...:confused0024:

They very well might be made at the Bergara factory.. but they are NOT stamped, therefore not "Bergara". I replied asking then why does the website state all CVA's use Bergara if they really dont... I'll post the reply when I get it.

Muley... I posted the phone numbers for you and your free long distance! :poke:

Cheers!

Alex
Some older models have the Bergara barrels. But new models only the Apex and Accura-V2 models.
Jason Sebo
Customer Service Representative
www.bpiguns.com
(770) 449-4687 Ext 116
Fax 770-242-8546

I think the real question is why isn't a barrel made in the Bergara factory not a Bergara, and what is the difference between one stamped and not stamped?

The problem here is the same company owns Bergara and CVA. How are we suppose to get a straight answer?

I would love to talk to a Bergara employee, and ask him what the difference is between an Optima and Accura barrel. We might get the truth that way. I certainly don't expect it from a CVA customer rep who is told what to say.

If they would say the Accura has a premium Bergara barrel, and the Optima has a lesser grade Bergara barrel. It would be easier to swallow. To tell me Bergara makes a barrel, but it's not a Bergara barrel insults my intelligence. If it isn't a Bergara. What is it?

I'm going to call him. I'm tired of this second hand run around. Let's see if I can trap him into telling me the truth.

I just got off the phone with Thomas. he's also a customer rep at CVA like Jason. Jason is pulling parts today, and I couldn't get a hold of him.

We talked about a lot of things, including the barrels. The Accura barrels are what CVA likes to call premium Bergara barrels. Which means they have a final stage of polishing that the Optima doesn't receive. CVA pays more for the Accura barrels to receive this service, and has them stamped Bergara. Up to the point of receiving the extra polishing. The Optima and Accura barrels are exactly the same. As Jon and I have said.

You're all free to call them up and get the same info. Thomas's extension is #101.

I got some other info on the stocks. The only stock that's made just to be used for a scope is the Optima thumbhole. The Accura TH stock is a compromise for a scope and open sights. All the other pistol grip stocks are made for open sights.

So, I ordered an Optima with a TH stock, and i'll polish the barrel myself. Proper stock fit is more important to me than some extra polishing.

most likely wont need much polishing either. My new Optima was a mirror right out of the box.

Just take the stock and fore arm off and use some gun scrubber to blow the grease out of the inners the best you can, let dry and then use some barricade and again spray it down good.

Oh yeah Thomas.....the one that sent me the wrong frame for my V2......TWICE.

Works for me.

Cust Rep???
 

Muley... you wouldnt believe what Jason told me in a email because he was a customer rep, but you dote on what Thomas (a customer rep) told you over the phone... make sense..

What Jason said didn't make sense. He must have misread his script.

Anyway, he's pulling parts now. :biggrin:

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Am I the only one confused?

Guys i dont know why the argument is still going on LOL.

CVA rifles that wear the Bergara barrel name:

CVA Optima Elite
CVA Accura
CVA Accura V2
CVA Apex
CVA Electra

Now on SOME old model Optimas and the Kodiaks did have a small run of Bergara barrels on them. These are the old model guns though and not many out there with that barrel installed.

Now the new Optima, Wolf, Scout " centerfire" Elkhorn, All use the Bergara barrel but these are the lower priced rifles and in order to keep the price tag down, they simply skip that multi honing process.

Its not hard to understand guys. The higher priced guns get the extra polishing while their lower cost guns skip it to keep it affordable to the average joe.

Think back on the muscle car days, you can buy the charger with the 383 at the lower basic price or go all out for extra polishing on the 426 for a good deal more.

because its fun....
 

THanks for the info MD54...

But Muley is contradicting himself and thats why its still going on... but I dont see it as a arguement... its just a friendly conversation...

AND 383 compared to the 426 hemi???... although all the other info you have given has been AWESOME... the engine analogy is WAY off base.... :woot: :party0005:

i gottcha.

There is a difference to me. I'll try and explain. You got a quick e-mail from a rep that is probably told to say that. he was right in saying the Accura is a better barrel. It's because it has extra polishing. Not because it's the only Bergara barrel in the line up. Which is all I said from the beginning. I knew an Accura barrel had extra work done to it. I also knew later when I bought an Optima that it was an Bargara barrel without the polishing.

I called up wanting to talk to Jason, but he wasn't available. I talked to Thomas for a good 30 minutes. We talked a lot about the barrels. We also talked about me buying another CVA. It would have been easy for him to tell me the Accura is the only Bergara barrel in the CVA line up to make a sale. He didn't though. He was honest and told me the truth.

Jason was wrong in what he said. he should have said the Accura has a premium Bergara barrel, but the other inlines have a Bergara barrel.

Didn't I say that from the beginning of this thread? It's hard to help here. Even with good information.

Your explaination is noted... but you still spoke with a cust service rep, just as I did via email... just because you spoke with him doesnt overshadow the distain that you sent towards Jason responce...

In ref to Bergara Barrels...
Is a chevy still a chevy if it doesnt have the chevy logo/emblem?
Is a chevy still a chevy if it doesnt have that emblem & go thru the same quality control or finishing procedures that a chevy does?
No... its not. It might be made in the same factory, but the manufacturing process is different for a reason, its different to save dollars. If the company... and this is whatever company is out there... will not put their logo/name on a product, then they choose not to for a reason. Because the company feels its not a good enough product to hold their name... Now will that product live up to the companies life expectancy and performance expectations? Perhaps, but their name is not on the product for a reason.
I dont know of any garage gunsmith or shooter that has the equipment or resources that a manufacturer like Bergara does to finish/polish their barrels better than what we would receive without the Bergara head stamp. And why would anyone want to even try it... I have no doubt that when I receive my Optima I will be completely satisfied with the product that I receive... It will be an CVA Optima with a barrel made by Bergara for CVA, not a CVA with a Bergara barrel.

Your explaination didnt explain anything other than was already noted in this string... you dispelled 1 CS reps explaination but took anothers to heart.... he told you all CVA's had Bergara barrrels when that isnt true AND let him talk you into buying a gun!

Cheers.... :poke:

MD54... your info has been spot on.. thanks for the help!

Whatever. You're just another one who wants to argue.

I'm going to stop trying to help, and just bust balls from now on. It's way more fun than this crap.


btw I'd be willing to bet the CEO of CVA will say the Optima has a Bergara barrel. Would that make the CEO or Jason right?