CVA Accura V2 vs. Optima
 

what are the main differences between the CVA Accura V2 and the Optima. I thought it was just the barrel on the V2 being the Bergarra. However, I could have swore I saw something that stated the Optima came with a bergarra as well.

PS. I'm looking for something that had hold a group. I'm currently shooting a TC Encore Prohunter with belm TC trigger work and over sized hinge pin. I've tried everything from black horn to whitehots and every bullet under the sun. cleaning between shots etc. and this gun sucks!!

All CVA"s have Bergarra Barrels, the ones they label are only there premium models that go through additional processes in the factory.

You could always put a bergara barrel on your Pro Hunter. A couple people I know as well as myself have them on our Pro Hunters and there tack drivers.

why should I have to put a bergarra barrel on my $800 TC to get it to shoot like a $400 CVA? I know many people that have dropped their Encores for the CVA and aren't looking back. only thing I like about the TC is the looks.

I sent you a PM.

Bergara Encore barrels run $250.

Well I never said you HAD to do anything it was just a suggestion. I'm sorry you paid that much for your encore.

[QUOTE=Kirch;3860609]why should I have to put a bergarra barrel on my $800 TC to get it to shoot like a $400 CVA?

Please forgive me, but, that is just plain hilarious!

Both the Accura and Optima have Bergara barrels and should shoot very well once you find the right load. They do handle differently, so I would recommend handling both of them and seeing which one fits you the best. Shouldering the 2, I really like the way the Accura feels more so than the Optima, but it really boils down to personal preference.

I'm sorry you've had so much trouble with your Encore- I have 2 CVA's and 1 Knight, and all 3 of them shoot very accurately.

Please give us a little info on what bullets, powders,sabots and group sizes ETC, you have tried in that pro hunter. thanks

pluckit,
glad you got a kick out of that comment..... i knew someone would.

If the rifle does indeed shoot as bad as you claim,you need to send it back to T/C and have them check it out.the problems your having are exactly why i bought the T/C triumph after researching T/C rifles on the internet, the Omega got great reviews also. i was out shooting yesterday afternoon using .250 gr sst,.250 gr barnes TEZ,.260 gr -.300 gr PT golds.with 3 kinds of sabots for best fit and accuracy.( harvester crushed rib,harvester smooth, MMP-24) all the bullets were extremely accurate from the rifle and were shot with 105-110 gr BH209.the first thing you need to do with any T/C barrel is to use some J/B/oil which cleans the crap they use in there barrels and smooths it out, 50 strokes minimum. then find good fitting bullet to sabot combos with 90-120 gr loads.if you still can't get it to shoot, be sure your scope is not the culprit, if your using one. if none of the above works. SEND IT BACK TO T/C.

you cant go wrong with the v2 or the optima.

the V2 will have a 1" longer barrel, a triggers thats around 1/2lb lighter.

I own both but like my Optimas better due to the better shaped stock that displaces recoil better and doesnt have no where near the jump that the v2 has.

Not sure why MD left out details. The Accura V2 is supposed to have a more polished bore than the Optima, and the trigger is adjustable. It also comes with a sling.

Bergara Barrel????
 

Okay... so after reading this string of posts... I stated to a buddy of mine the other night that all CVA's used Bergara barrels... he said BS... I've looked at the CVA catalogue and there is no mention of them being used except on the V2 and the Optima Elite... I've dropped a email to both CVA and Bergara as well but havent gotten a responce yet... Where do ya'll get your info that all CVA's use Bergara's?

The parent company owns Bergara and CVA.

They only stamp Bergara on the Accura barrel, because they need a reason to charge more for that model. It's much easier and cheaper to use the same barrel for all the guns. The Accura barrel has a little more polishing that the Optima barrel. Bergara has different grades, but they still make them all. Your buddy is blowing smoke and guessing.

Did you know the TC Impact uses an Omega barrel?

I can see not honing the barrels for there less expensive models. i will never understand why the bergara name isn't on everyone of the barrels they make. as far as T/C barrels are concerned, there name is on the barrels of all there models, even the inexpensive impact..

I dont nessessarily believe it...
 

I totally agree with this statement...

i will never understand why the bergara name isn't on everyone of the barrels they make. as far as T/C barrels are concerned, there name is on the barrels of all there models, even the inexpensive impact..

SO, I'm not 100% sure I agree that Bergera barrels are on all CVA's.

When you receive a e-mail from either CVA or Bergara stating all CVA barrels are indeed made by bergara, then we shall know for certain.

Not sure why I have to find information for you when you can do it yourself. I call people if I want information.

You can also read their web site. Not hard to find.

http://www.cva.com/company.php

nice...
 

I looked Muley... didnt see it.. thkx

All CVA barrels are made at the Bergara plant. The barrels that get stamped Bergara get a multi honing process that polishes them greatly. In all honesty however, its really hard to tell either one apart. I have an Optima barrel that shines like a greased up mirror, its so smooth and shiny.

My info is directed from the CEO.

A little trust would have been nice. I wouldn't have said it if I was sure.
I've owned a Accura V2, Optima, and a Wolf. I have free long distance phone service. I call everybody to get first hand info about anything I buy. Whether it's bullets, powder, guns or whatever.

oh well.......
 

All I did was ask where the info was found I never asked for you to find it for me... just where... if you didnt want to post it you shouldnt have... it took more effort for you to post your complaining... just dont answer next time and you will eliminate the need to hear anything back... never said I didnt trust you, I just wanted to see it in black and white... after all if you tell me that you can accurately shoot 600 yards, am I to believe you? I dont know you from Adam ( I do know though, I know you read websites, have a basic bit of knowledge and like to complain so people feel sorry for you) so why should I believe anything that you tell me without me asking for proof? I'm glad that you take the time to call "everybody" to get info on your purchases... and I'm also glad that you post. Because of people like you, people like me dont have to make those calls... and I appreciate that you have free long distance.... most people nowadays do... it's really not that difficult to get, but thanks for letting us all know.
Cheers and have a awesome day!

better put my waist high boots on, its about to get deep..... LOL

great, thanks
 

Thanks MD....

Well well. You said:

"SO, I'm not 100% sure I agree that Bergera barrels are on all CVA's."

So, even though I went to the trouble to answer your question. You didn't believe me.
So, I went to more trouble to find you proof, because in your words. You couldn't find it.

Keep in mind that I did this, because I was trying to help you. You also weren't the only one who didn't believe what I said was true.

Anyway, thanks for the insults. I feel right at home now.:biggrin:

As do I from you insinuating I was lazy and didn't know how to use a phone... typical (not all inclusive though) for the responces received from all the self proclaimed experts on here... Cheers

Putting words in my mouth? I never said either of those things. I simply said how I do it.

You don't receive help very well. I'll make sure to avoid it from now on.

In case you forgot already. CVA uses Bergara barrels.

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this to me equals you telling me I'm lazy. and I take help very well... my post @ 4:09 I looked Muley... didnt see it.. thkx

After that all you needed to say was your welcome and it would have been done... Now, I'm done. Cheers

I saw it.

Your welcome.

I was just trying to keep up my image. :poke:

I think it's pretty clear if it is not stamped "Begara," it's not a Begara barrel. As MD noted from the CVA website:

"Every barrel that we use today is also made in Bergara at our BERGARA BARRELS facility, which, like CVA, is wholly owned by our parent company. "

That DOES NOT mean that all barrels coming out of the Begara plant get to be considered worthy of being called "Begara." There is more the brand name than what factory makes the product. Again, as others noted, Begara barrels are subject to extra steps with regard to polish/finish. I don't know all the steps/inspections/tolerences that are required to be worthy of the Begara stamp but clearly not all the CVA barrels get them, otherwise, they would all have the stamp.

Seiko make Pulsar watches, doesn't mean Pulsar watches are Seikos. Last I heard, Bushnell makes Simmons scopes (same manufacturing plant) and it's clearly a different product.

Word games? Maybe. But they are distinctions.

Interesting. The barrels are made by Bergara, but they aren't Bergara barrels.

I guess Bergara only makes one good barrel, and it's on the Accura. All the rest of them are crap, because Bergara doesn't give a crap about their reputation. OK.

Maybe take a deep breath and re-read my post. I think it explains my reasoning fairly well. I even gave examples. To say it again s-l-o-w-l-y, just because a company makes a product at their facility, does not mean that product gets to be considered the same as the company's name brand. Things like fit and finish and source raw materials matter.

And I never stated nor implied that CVA's other barrels are crap, in fact, I'm sure they are not. But they are not Begaras.

Here it comes
I would bet MD has all the correct info since he is a CVA shooter and has several pages of info on his own blog and sight..
And Muley as far as that is concerned is correct as well...


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ive already said what the difference is.

The true bergaras just get extra polishing/honing while the cheaper non bergara marked barrels simply just skip that extra honing/polishing. All CVA bores will run between .500 to .501 and no larger or smaller as they have a certain clearance specs in check.

I don't think you're giving Bergara much credit. You seem to think if Bergara isn't stamped on the barrel that's it's an inferior product, or worse. It's not a Bergara barrel. I'm sure all the barrels are made on the same machines, by the same employees with the same material. As I already stated. They need a reason to charge more for the Accura over the Optima. Stamping Bergara on the barrel isn't fooling too many people when they say all CVA inlines have Bergara barrels. It's a sales pitch to make you think you're getting more when you buy an Accura.

Bergara says this about all their barrels. ALL has only one definition to me.

PRECISION STEP THREE – BARREL POLISHING
While most other barrel manufacturers move directly from deep hole drilling to the rifling process, all Bergara Barrels pass through three separate honing spindles. The honing spindles utilize diamond-tipped bits that polish the barrel’s interior surface to a mirror-like finish with a groove diameter deviation of less than 9/1,000 (or .009MM) of a millimeter. It’s the same result that many gunsmiths accomplish by hand-lapping a barrel.

If you see a difference in the bore of the Optima SS barrel and the Accura you have x-ray eyes. You also won't see any difference in accuracy either. I've owned both of them.

My .02

Yes, I do think that not being stamped with “Bergara” on the barrel might mean the barrel is inferior. How much, I do not know. Probably it’s by a small amount as you and MD feel.

I get that a company will rebrand the same product to target a certain price point. Wine is a great example, as you can have three different labels coming out of the same vineyard with the same production process. But it is not always the case that the product is of the same quality. In this instance it seems that at least one process is skipped in the non-Begara barrels. Whether it is a negligible process (as you say) may be up for debate. Begara seems to think it’s a big enough deal to brag about. My guess is that if asked, CVA would claim it’s a worthwhile process.

I think most would consider that safety is the #1 concern. Solely with regard to safety, I can agree that all the barrels coming out of the Bergara facility are the same, assuming the same grade of steel is being used. MD says that’s the case, fine with me.

My .05 ;)

I think it's more CVA bragging about the Bergara barrel than Bergara is. The Bergara stamping on the barrel for the Accura is probably what CVA asked for.

At any rate. If you had the Optima and Accura barrel in you hand. You would see no difference in their looks other than the Bergara stamping. All other marking are the same. Except for Accura/Optima stampings. If you looked at the bore. You'd see no difference. I'd be willing to bet they would measure the same. They both have the material they are made from, and it's the same.

If you shot them both. You see no difference. Both are very accurate.

I think we both agree the safety is the same.

So, if the difference is some extra polishing. (maybe) It doesn't seem to add any accuracy.

I'm buying an Optima, because I see no advantage in the Accura. As a matter of fact. I think the Optima stock is a better design.

This sort of reminds me of a TC Triumph and the Bone Collector. The Traditions Vortek, and the Vortek UL.

Companies need to make money, but I don't like paying for features I don't need.

If someone feels more comfortable with Bergara stamped on the barrel. Pay the extra money and be happy.

Notice that a state-of-the-art Bergara Barrel™ that the Electra manual is referring to is a registered trade mark. To me that means that if it doesn't carry the trade mark then technically it's not a Bergara Barrel™.

The Electra was another one of the CVA guns that was touted as having a Bergara Barrel™.
I think that by CVA not having Bergara marked barrels on all of their guns does cause them to lose some market share. We all know that CVA's have some great barrels, but not everyone else knows.
If every one of their barrels was a marked Bergara Barrel™ then I think that they would sell more guns. But it would take more time, money and tooling to hone all of those barrels. And it would raise the price of their guns. Since that extra cost makes enough of a difference for CVA to not do it, then that leads me to believe that it does make a difference to the public that chooses not to buy one because of it.
Only a little difference maybe, but enough of a difference for the OP to ask the question.

Everybody is free to buy the Accura.

CVA will love it.

I might do it myself to get the adjustable trigger.