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batchief909 10-05-2011 05:17 PM

Looks great! Be even better once you tighten the group up. :arms:

Omega45 10-05-2011 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by batchief909 (Post 3857196)
Looks great! Be even better once you tighten the group up. :arms:

Batchief, you always crack me up!! Thanks buddy. :guiness:

batchief909 10-05-2011 05:24 PM

LOL!! Good shooting, bro!:s3::s2:

Gm54-120 10-05-2011 05:26 PM

You need another inch higher to be under 3" low at 200. :p

Omega45 10-05-2011 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3857204)
You need another inch higher to be under 3" low at 200. :p

200yds is just under the 2nd line on the DOA 600 scope with that load.

bronko22000 10-06-2011 01:10 AM

Very nice. Better than a lot of centerfire rifles can shoot. Looks like you have a keeper there.

7.62NATO 10-06-2011 06:30 AM

Thanks. What makes them able to shoot smokeless? Is it the receiver and BP, or a combination of everything, including the barrel? What are we looking at, price-wise? How heavy is it? One thing I like about my Omega is how light it is.

I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.

Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.

Muley Hunter 10-06-2011 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by 7.62NATO (Post 3857406)
Thanks. What makes them able to shoot smokeless? Is it the receiver and BP, or a combination of everything, including the barrel? What are we looking at, price-wise? How heavy is it? One thing I like about my Omega is how light it is.

I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.

Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.

I felt the same way. When I used inlines I used them in the rifle season, and BH 209 sometimes. Which is just a detuned smokeless powder. Why not just go all the way and use smokeless powder in the Savage. I've read they have less recoil with more fps than BP/subs. That alone appeals to me. I'm not a fan of hard recoiling guns.

My 9.5 lb GPR with 2F BP is pleasant to shoot. Even with a steel buttplate.

Get the Savage. I bet you'll like it. It even has the Accutrigger like the CF guns. Probably the best trigger on the market for a production gun.

Grouse45 10-06-2011 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3857204)
You need another inch higher to be under 3" low at 200. :p

Omega45 has that shooting really well.

4198 and N110 are much better choices of powder in the 45caliber.

Omega45 10-06-2011 11:42 AM

7.62NATO,

Savages come in .50 caliber only unless you buy a used one that was rebarreled to .45.

A combination of things make it smokeless capable, breechplug, new barrel, recoil lug, hunter bolt conversion and strong action. Not a cheap build, well it actually is cheap if you look into some other custom smokeless guns, but worth every penny. No swabbing, heck do not even clean the bore if you don't feel like it. I have just been decarboning my breechplug after every range session.

Grouse,
As far as powder goes, I switched to R7 just to play with and found my accuracy load. Heard its a little better in colder weather also. Never had any issues with H4198. Actually have had no ignition issues at all. Gun goes bang when the trigger is pulled. N120 is on my list to get but not commonly found in my area. Reports of N120 being used is looking great, but it's also $10 more.

7.62NATO,
I forgot to mention PRB's are not recommended in these guns.


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