Oh no......smokeless !!
 

GM54-120 was a little worried since my group last Friday hit a tad to the right. Thanks Scott, you gave me a reason to hit the range again today. :D 100yd 3 shot group using 200gr SST's and the forbidden powder.....:happy0157:



Remington 700ML .45 McGowen

I guess I could live with that. :wink:

You missed the diamond this time LOL. Great shooting Steve:cool15:.

Looks like you are ready for ML SEASON now. ;)

That small amount off at 100 would have been quite a bit off out at 300 yards. Ive got at least one dialed in for upto 250 yards (if needed) to use during the ML SEASON.. :D I should have the Pacnor 45 dialed in soon for anything longer than that.... if i don't tag out during the firearms season in my county.

I told you Re7 is kinda nice for the price. $22lb isnt bad for a extruded double based powder. I wish it was as clean as N110 but oh well...its $9 cheaper a pound and makes milder pressures. My 60gr loads were roughly 2600fps and the sabots looked better than ones from 120gr of BH209.

Sure is nice to come home and just put it away till next time...... Well besides a quick wipe down and checking the vent liner for wear. :D

Sorry Nimrodder.......:party0005:

GM54-120,

I got ripped off! I paid $24.99 for a pound of R7. :sad0064:

H4198 was cheaper. I plan to play some more with it after the season.

I get mine from the same friend that sells me the 325gr FTX for $36/100. Otherwise it would be close to the same as you paid. Cabelas has it on sale now for $21.49lb.

Nice shooting! Is that the Savage?

Nope.

Remington 700ML action, Hunter bolt conversion, McGowen .45 barrel and a Boyds TH laminated stock.

7.62NATO

You can build them on either action and both have their benefits. IMO the Rem700 conversion makes a better hunter and WAY more aftermarket stuff. The Savage is heavier and and its easy to head space it yourself when swapping barrels. Current Rem700ML's pricing have jumped a lot recently just because they are now the 45 SML rage.

The 45s are really cool because its easy to down load them into the mid BH209 range with really low amounts "book" powders or crank them up well past 2800fps with larger amounts of slower burners. Plus you can shoot some 45s sabotless if you want to get fancy. Even BH209 can produce some excellent sabotless speeds.

Looks great! Be even better once you tighten the group up. :arms:

Batchief, you always crack me up!! Thanks buddy. :guiness:

LOL!! Good shooting, bro!:s3::s2:

You need another inch higher to be under 3" low at 200. :p

200yds is just under the 2nd line on the DOA 600 scope with that load.

Very nice. Better than a lot of centerfire rifles can shoot. Looks like you have a keeper there.

Thanks. What makes them able to shoot smokeless? Is it the receiver and BP, or a combination of everything, including the barrel? What are we looking at, price-wise? How heavy is it? One thing I like about my Omega is how light it is.

I'm very interested in this. I can see the appeal of using black powder/subs in a more traditional gun. If I ever own a more traditional gun, I will use real BP exclusively with it. But when shooting a modern inline, I see no reason to use BP or subs, which are inferior to smokeless powder.

Honestly, except for making the gun conform to a wider variety of state hunting laws, I don’t see why manufacturers don’t make more modern inlines capable of using smokeless. There is absolutely no advantage to using BP or subs over smokeless. If you are looking for limitations on your weapon, go more traditional. I generally want any hunting gun I have to be as diverse as possible. I don’t need a gun to set limitations on what I shoot or don’t shoot. If I decide I only want to kill within 30 yards, I can make that decision and hold myself accountable to it. If I see something I want to take 200 yards away (elk, if I ever draw a KY tag!), I want to have the ability to make that choice. Most likely, I will use my ML throughout regular gun season just because they are generally lighter than firearms with other action types.

I felt the same way. When I used inlines I used them in the rifle season, and BH 209 sometimes. Which is just a detuned smokeless powder. Why not just go all the way and use smokeless powder in the Savage. I've read they have less recoil with more fps than BP/subs. That alone appeals to me. I'm not a fan of hard recoiling guns.

My 9.5 lb GPR with 2F BP is pleasant to shoot. Even with a steel buttplate.

Get the Savage. I bet you'll like it. It even has the Accutrigger like the CF guns. Probably the best trigger on the market for a production gun.

Omega45 has that shooting really well.

4198 and N110 are much better choices of powder in the 45caliber.

7.62NATO,

Savages come in .50 caliber only unless you buy a used one that was rebarreled to .45.

A combination of things make it smokeless capable, breechplug, new barrel, recoil lug, hunter bolt conversion and strong action. Not a cheap build, well it actually is cheap if you look into some other custom smokeless guns, but worth every penny. No swabbing, heck do not even clean the bore if you don't feel like it. I have just been decarboning my breechplug after every range session.

Grouse,
As far as powder goes, I switched to R7 just to play with and found my accuracy load. Heard its a little better in colder weather also. Never had any issues with H4198. Actually have had no ignition issues at all. Gun goes bang when the trigger is pulled. N120 is on my list to get but not commonly found in my area. Reports of N120 being used is looking great, but it's also $10 more.

7.62NATO,
I forgot to mention PRB's are not recommended in these guns.

Too bad. The group would have looked better.

65grns of N120 and a 250grn bullet is scary accurate in the Savage. That was one of RB'S favorite loads.

Nice group GMB!
So your load was 60 gr RL-7 w/250 gr sst?
Have you taken any deer with the SST? Performance? Fragmentation?

Thanks--Mark

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I didn't post a 45cal target but i do use 60gr of Re7 for both the Pacnor 45 and in the Savage with the 325gr FTX. I use N110 and 4759 in my NULA but will be trying it in the Pacnor 45 with some milder loads. The previous owner got some really nice groups with 63gr of Re7 in the Pacnor 45. Mines got a longer barrel than Omegas though so i don't get a bad muzzle blast.

I typically avoid as many IMR products as possible but 4759 in the new jug is a nice mild single and very bulky so its hard to double charge a tube. It makes a great booster for duplexing too but thats another story.

Ive got plenty of N120 but im lucky and have a supplier locally. Its like the BH209 of SML powders. It makes some awesome fps with a 300gr in a 50cal and holds its own really well in the 45cal too. If you are looking for some really high fps 250gr loads, N120 is really hard to beat too. 2500fps and beyond is fairly easy if you can handle the recoil.

Sofar im VERY happy with Re7 because the pressures are very mild and fps is good. Secondary pressure spikes are very low too and temp sensitivity is better than 4198. 63gr of Re7 is a tad slower than 60gr of N120 with a 325gr FTX in the Savage 50cal.

My NULA though loves the N110 and man is it clean compared to any powder ive tried. FPS is excellent too even with 300gr bullets but pressures are starting to get a bit high. The new 4759 takes nearly 5grs more to get close to the same fps in my NULA with any bullet weight ive tried across the chrono. Either can be used for mild 45cal loads but 4759 in the new jug IMO has a easier spike in the curve.