Negavtive Posts
 

All these negative posts are getting real old..I have been around here for a few years and it never ceases to amaze me with peoples responses. I am a 41yo man and if someone posts something about a certain product I should be able to make a reasonable diagnosis of said post. And if I dont agree so what...either make a small statement or prove said post wrong. With your own. Most of us have never met but in some strange way we all are tied together into a group.. It's no secret that a few on here I don't agree with the way certain things are done. But if we would ever meet I would enjoy a nice range session and cold beer with them or anyone on here. Sorry about the long winded soap box statement. All I can say is I really enjoy 95% of the posts and look forward to reading more.
Chuck

Ditto!!! and even though it is a very few, you could almost count them on one hand, that very few sure can upset the whole atmosphere.

Thanks for the - on the point and direct post....

I am guessing that this was spured by the later post in the Testing the Truth in Advertising" thread. This particular poster must not have spent much time researching and lookin through the older posts. And I haven't noticed anyone 'ADVERTISING' a certain brand, just others posting on rifle setups that work for them. I guess it's just a matter of perception.

Anyone with a 45 cal Disc and a Triumph is alright in my book:arms::s2:

Personally, I think it is just one person....that is constantly stating lavish thoughts about the products he pushes and it suprises me that everyone is okay with that... I am sure for the most part, most can come to there own conclusions.... but, as pluckit stated there are new people on here all the time and they should not be made to think , you have to buy a knight or t/c or any overpriced MLer to obtain the accuracy... I am sure they get enough of that from TV...

oh and it doesn't suprise me that his alter ego does not want anyone to question his thoughts.... and finds a hand full to be the problem, instead....it's awful funny, that only the few has issue with one poster.... makes me wonder who really is the problem

There is one poster on here I have a real problem with. I might as well get it off my chest. I don't like the Weasel!:s2:

no not in the last few weeks but there are a couple that advertise (shill) for Knight and Lehigh.... But, I am positive that the other poster was a long time member that setup a new account to get a jab in, at them...

the biggest shill denies any envolvment but, I have seen the post on other boards, where he has bragged about recieving free product for his reviews and thoughts and no matter how much someone states they are unbiased, free stuff will alter the truth... or at least that has been the case in most, I have seen....

I am not saying that Knight and lehigh do not put out great products but to have someone come on the board and state that a knight is the only rifle that can produce tight groups, well just seems a little biased to me....

you know everyone loves the weasel, it's just a closet kinda love!!!:D

I'm with you Chet. That Weasel guy is not to be trusted and I just don't like him.

Of course, there are a few others here that I don't much care for. TC and Knight shooters for example. They are just so darn arrogant! Then there's those CVA guys - can you believe them? What lunkheads - right up there with the delusional Traditions guys! As far as those obnoxious White shooters, I wish they would just stop posting here. Then there's the fact that you can't trust anything said by the "black stock" crowd, who are darn near as bad as those guys with camouflaged guns. Who do they think they are? Jim Shockey? I've even seen posts here by here by people who shoot round balls using sub powders (almost as silly as shooting full bore conicals). Those guys get no respect from me.

But other than those particular groups already mentioned, every guy on this forum has my respect and I pretty much like them all and have learned something from every one of them (with the possible exception of Cayugad who seems to have very limited shooting experience).

Semi: I am not even convinced that Cayugad actually even owns a muzzleloader:D

you quack me up semi.

Semisane might be onto something, but I think I have him figured out. I've been watching Swamp People reruns and Billy the Exterminator. Now them boys on them shows from Louisiana really have it together.

And Chet finally figured me out. I just took a camera to a sporting goods store and photographed their gun rack. It was easier then buying all them silly things...

Other then that I am pretty normal. What ever normal is?

OK Shane let me ask you this... at the risk of raising the anger level around here.... Why do you feel the need to protect me or us from the 'Shill'?

Am I not old enough or capable of making my own decisions? Or can not we make a decision on such matters? Are we blind?

And going a little further... If this problem really irritates you and a few others as much as it seems, why not collect the information and facts and turn them over to someone that has the authority to protect us - like the site administrator or moderator. When they make their decision then we can all react to that one way or the other.

I (just me now) am really getting tired of a couple of you forum cops without a badge jumping and turning threads into a mess. If you do not like who is posting ignore them and allow us to make our own decisions as we read through the threads.

And just so you know I think I also qualify in this shill area.... for the reason indicated in red.

I have accepted many items over the years from:

Speer - Nosler - TC - Winchester - Remington - Knight - Sako - Tikka - Savage - Lehigh - Bloodlines - Brownels - Natchez - Cabelas - Harvester - MMP - Track of the Wolf - RMC Sports - White Muzzleloder - Bull Shop Bullets - No Excuse - Morgan Recoil Pads - almost forgot other forum members

And many more - does that make me a spokesman for any of them - I doubt it...

And in that list I certainly do have favorites because they work so well for me and I will naturally tell you about the ones that work well and a lot less about the ones that did not.

So if you and a couple of other would let it go and let the administration handle anything they deem a problem... things might go a lot smoother here.

This forum is not a COURT...

Sorry everyone

Dang Sabotloader. There you go again - spouting off common sense. Such logical thinking cannot be tolerated.

He's a Football coach, give him a break dummy. I wonder about your flints once in awhile. :happy0001:

Now don't go and get all ruffed, Grouse.

I think "everyone" needs to sweep their own back porch before they go pointing their finger at anyone. To me it is OK to debate opinions feverishly and is the American way and our right not to agree but attacks on anyone's personal character on a internet forum exposes immaturity in the attacker. If I do it it exposes immaturity in me. So what if someone pushes a product because they receive free products. Like SL says I am a grown man and can make my own conclusions and if the Admn here doesn't care then what is it hurting me and why should I care. It isn't costing me any extra money or sleep. I love the debates because I can learn from them but the personal attacks turn into a lot of BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH to me and I usually don't waste much of my time on them.

OH LORD!!!!!!!!:hail::hail::hail:

I don't get ruffed. :D

I have been in sales all my life. And sold sporting goods for many of those years. I did sell Knight rifles in the late 80's and early 90's. And I still have a NIB MK-85 wanut and blue that Tony gave me in '89(I think it was '89).

However the company I worked for sold all the brands of MZ's. Every single one. And I also received CVA's, Charles Daly's, and free TC products as well. But the only one I kept is the one Tony gave me. That man had REAL CLASS IMO.

The bottom line is a quality salesman will always tell the truth, or say nothing. You never hear a quality salesman downplay another's product. He only talks up his product.

A few guys on her have helped me with some problems I have had in th past. And I hope they will help me in the future if I need some help(I am sure they will).

Sabot Loader has helped me tremendously a couple of times. I consider his advise as quality advice. Not biased.

You just need to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaft. Tom.

Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem with these forum thingies is you can't see the other fellow's tongue in cheek. Next thing you know, you are going off half ****ed.

All I know is it was posts from people like Sabotloader,Cayugad,Semisane and others on this forum that got me to join this forum. If you were to read all 67 pages of posts you would see that they have gave us all some good information and have saved some of us a bunch of time and money in testing of new and old products over the years.(How they come up with the test products just dont matter to me) So all I can say is THANK YOU for share your knowledge with us.

not trying to protect anyone... just calling out the BS that the unamed shill is putting out...

your right it is not court so, why do you feel the need to defend yourself? I'm not!!!

follow your own advise, if you have a problem with us calling him out on BS, collect your info and turn it over to the admins... untill then hit the ignore button!!!!!

dont doubt it making you a spokesman for them, you are... well at least Knight, lehigh, swift, and MMP.... but at least you put the time in on the forum to help wherever you can and to answer questions, actually being a real help.... But your alter ego shows up to push the products hard and thats about it.....

And lastly, why do you feel compelled to protect the BSer, nobody has been dogging you so, why do you care so much??? so, who is the cop?? remember, i am the bad guy!!!

Cant we all just get along ?



Jason

My problem is that I'm not going to recommend a poor product to someone on here asking about what they should use. Especially a new guy. Where some of the guys on here clearly will recommend a crappy product because they get that item free in return for recommending it.

If no one tells him that there are much better products, that new guy is going to listen to the person that chimes in pushing that product, not knowing that he may be pushing it because he is compensated, and he is going to use it. When he has a bad experience it's going to turn him against muzzle loaders all together or maybe even hunting, which I don't want.

For example a friend uses Power Belts and refuses to use anything else. Every deer he shoots he has trouble finding from a lack of a blood trail. We have tried to talk him into try something else, as most all of the rest of us in the hunting group have switched, yet he refuses to try anything else since that's what the guys at the store that sold him his muzzle loader told him would work best in it. Instead, he tells everyone that will listen how when you shoot a deer with a muzzle loader, you just don't get a blood trail, or how often you lose deer when shooting them with a muzzle loader. This kind of thing happens more than I care to admit, and when someone is looking for advice, I'm going to be honest about the product with them. If it's a good product I will make sure I tell them that, if it's a bad product, I'm not just going to be quite so that they only hear the good side from the guys receiving free products from that company.


Now, this being said, 99% of the people on here are great guys, and this isn't an issue with them as they seem to be honest and give good reviews of products along with being willing to help. So this isn't a big issue on this forum for me, but it is a small issue with a very small portion of this site. It's been a much bigger issue on other sites however.

INRecordBookBuck

First I want to say that I am not making a lot of sense of what you your response is saying - and I am honestly trying...

It is BS to you and I believe you believe that - I also think it is not BS to the shill he or she honetly believes what he is saying also. At that point is where I get to exercise my rights to make my own decision.

I do not get this one who am I defending other than the forum and possibly you. I feel but do not know that you fell into the rants and writings of SWThomas a past moderator here who felt the same as you do, even though he does not seem to post here any longer his legacy remains intact with you acting his part.

I would be fairly easy to do that either one of the two but I am not sure you are getting the point - this thread is not about the writing of Grouse - it is you and a few others that are the interupter and it is you that is drawing this thread. It does not need to be that way. Maybe follow you advice - if Grouse posts drive you nuts - use the ignore button as many others do.

and all of this goes back to what I said iniatially... if the product works for me I talk about it. The products you mentioned above are excellent and work very well within their design features. That is really the basis for this forum - sharing information. NOT ALL PEOPLE are going to feel the same and what is wrong with that. Your rants seem to follow the pattern if you got it free you should not post about it.

I am not much on pysco-mumble jumble -so can not tell you much about my alter-ego... but if you are referring to Grouse pushing products that work for him - yep he does right along with me and a lot of other folks that find something that really works and then expressing our opinion - nothing says it is fact it is our opinion - from there you as a forum member can and should make your own assesments.

I do care... I care because I really like this forum and I really dis-like it when you and the groupie or when SW are trying drive a wedge in it trying to divide it. There are some really great people on here with a ton of information. Not all of it do I like or use but I certainly do not try to purposely jump in and yell or print BS or disrupt the posts so I can make a personal claim of my own -

At this moment in my and only my book you are... The worst part you really do not need to be - people on this forum may not be as dumb or blind as you think they might be.

It would also be my suggestion if you want to follow through more on this subject - lets do it through the PM system - we are just taking up valuable space and boring a lot of folks that do not need to be bored.

mike

Maybe we should have a "sticky" titled. Rants and negative posts. Then when someone reads something they don't like or a post from someone they don't like they can go there and say what they want to say. That way the original thread doesn't get destroyed and anyone who doesn't want to read the rants
or personal attacks don't have to be subjected to them in the thread. If someone wants to follow the drama they would be welcome to go to that thread.

Wow is this thing going off again. When I posted I had no one in mind. Grouse I find to be very well rounded in the sport of muzzleloading we all love. And he has made it no secrect of his relationship with LeHigh-Knight and others. So what INR if he is. Like I said any adult can read thru the BS. I for one have bought numerous product pushed or shilled as some say and have found all so far to be great. My Knight Disc-Lehigh's no complaints from me. But on the first day of the season my T/C PH will be with me loaded with a shockwave.

Well damn I'm the new guy. I don't have time this Sally crap. I need to get
Some straight good answers and I look foward to the older ones on here. Now
I seem to spend more time reading about your hissy fits with each other instead
Of reading more important stuff. So you boys suck it up and get tough.

Don't shoot guns with funky crowns....:barmy:

Life's too short for stupid chit, fellas......

My personal feelings in this type of crap is:
Everytime there is a problem on the forum Sabotloader seems to be in the middle of it. He and a few choice others tend to dominate this forum as they do the same on MM and others. They believe in my opinion(which I have been told on another forum,doesn't matter) that what they say is the way it is. Everone should shoot Knight rifles and LeHigh bullets. Forget it, Knights are nice but not for everyone.
So you hot shots continue to rule the forum your way. I shall not make any future posts in this muzzleloader section again as I do not make posts on MM any longer either.

Have a good day.

You have your opinion and i think everyone is entitled to one. That doesn't mean it's right or wrong.

As far as Knight and Lehigh???? They aren't for everyone. Knight makes great muzzleloaders and Lehigh makes great bullets and parts for Knight. That's a good combination in my opinion.

T/C makes some good Muzzleloaders, and Parker makes some good bullets for them.

CVA has come along way from before and some people really like what they got to offer.

I don't think your giving members any respect at all. I think most are adults and will shoot and use what they think is best for them no matter who likes it or not.

Again, this is my opinion just like yours.

You are very close to how this forum runs.. it doesnt take long to figure it out... See you have your Shills and there Clique, the ones that support everything that comes from their piehole and then you have the sheeple, they are the ones that hang on every word that the first two ranks say.... in the hopes that one day they can be part of the crew....

And you are right everytime someone disrupts their flow SL is the first to jump in with damage control... But, what is nice about this board is, he can not just go and delete your post, like he does over at MM or threaten you with a ban for dissagreeing with their statements.... Thats why i stay around on this forum!!!

And beings, I am not looking for any new buddies and don't care what others think, well you can fill in the rest....

I have learned a ton from the guys on here. I have gotten great deals from the updates on who has the best prices for products. Life is too simple in this matter; if you are uncomfortable here then move on to the hundreds of other sites for hunting. As for me Im staying and will continue to appreciate everyones shared opinions and will forgive them all for not shooting mk85s.

So, where do I find that, member "Ignore Button" ?

I got at least one use for it now:party0007:

Yeah I usually reserve it for the bible thumpers!!

You seriously need help. Call 911 and have then read your last 50 post's on this board. And i'm not kidding at all. Maybe a family member or friend can help you out????

yeah i know, maybe if i try real hard, I can be just like you and SL or at least a knight groupie, then i bet we could be friends..... Whatcha think????

I love knights and they are the only gun that will group from the hood of my car, and i will agrue with anyone that says different... AM I IN THE GROUP, NOW???? CAN WE BE BUDDIES??? OH GOODIE, I AM, SO HAPPY!!!!