Gm54-120

Knight Orange EZ load sabots show a 3 petal sabot so the pic must me wrong.

sabotloader

Could you not weigh them and make sure that way?

Since you guys brought it up - I just checked the 300 Bloodlines that I have - They are .458 and the sabot is definitely way closer to red than orange.

Next I got out some Orange MMP's and compared them to the Red Knight - construction and fit seem to be identical. With the .458 inserted in the sabot they mic .504 with either the Red Knight or the Orange MMP.

One other that might be of some interest. MMP bought the .458 Orange sabot dies from Knight years back when Knight got out of the sabot making business.

I do not have any Bloodline's .452-250 with supplied sabot. Tom in one of your posts you said it was a EZ load supplied with the 250. If that were the case it should be a 3 petal sabot.

Just for drill, I just pushed a .452-250 Lehigh into a HPH24 and mic'ed that at .503. And in a MMP EZ load it mic's @ .501 + the EZ load has much shorter petals to help it load easier.

Just some added information - not sure any of it is relevant..



Are the sabots that came with the 250's the same color/size as the sabots that are with the 300's? I guess I am asking if they could have packaged the wrong sabot, but that probably is not right either because you said the bullet does not sit in the bottom of the sabot and surely a .452 would sit in a .458 sabot.

sabotloader

No, I believe you are correct Scott. The EZ load is a 3 petal and it is much shorter than a HPH24, probably closer to the HSB in length. Del made them shorter to ease the loading in tight bores.

Gm54-120

Thats odd because i mic the 458 FTX which comes out to .458 and in a MMP Orange i get .506 with only slight pressure on the caliper. It might go to .504 if i give it a squeeze.

Oops my bad, i just dbl checked. its .505

Yep the MMP 3P-EZ is pretty short and comes out to about .501 depending on bullet.

sabotloader

Gm54-120

But the sabots in O45 picture are 4 petal - plus you can see the squaring of the base which is common with the MMP Orange. Can not say I have seen it that much in a HPH-24, but I do not know why it wouldn't happen there also. So I was thinkg it was the .457/.458-50 MMP Orange colored red for Knight - but if that were the case the .452-250's would have dropped to the bottom of the sabot.

Grouse45

http://www.knightrifles.com/ez-load-sabots-M900126/

The picture is wrong. This sabot is a 4 petal orange .452 sabot. The reason the new .458 sabot for Knight is redish is because of the .452 sabot being orange.

The 250grn Bloodlines or Lehigh's are .452 in Diameter.

The 275grn and 300grn Bloodlines or Lehigh's are .458 in diameter.

The 220grn Bloodline is also .458 in Diameter. Lehigh only made that bullet for Knight. They are 4 petal sabots.

This is not speculation, this is facts. I even have several bags of the orange ez load .452 sabots from Knight MFG#900126

Omega45

I said 99.9% remember. My origional eyeball measurement was off. All is well. Both supplied sabots are 4 petal. My buddy shot a 1" group with the 250 Bloodlines in the supplied sabots with his new Mountaineer. Maybe my gun prefers Harvesters? Its good to know the 300's are .458, a black CR will be the replacement if the supplied maroons do not give me the accuracy I seek. I may have needed a sledgehammer to get them down the bore with a Harvester smooth.

250 Bloodline



300 Bloodline

sabotloader

Grouse45

A four petal sabot Should be a HPH-24, which in effect is an eaisier to load sabot, easier than the standard HPH-12 or the MMP Short Black . But if Knight has opted to call them a EZ load I guess they could certainly do that. A true EZ load would not work to well in a Knight GM bore.

Tom would you check with Gordy and ask him what is the difference between the M900128 and the M900126, since O45 measured the red ones @ .506 they certainly are not the true EZ Load. My HPH-24's measure that across the knurling rings also.

O45

I wonder if the CR with a .458 will even go down your Bergara barrel without the hammer.

Omega45

Sabot,

300gr Bloodlines in a black CR according to my calipers squeezed tightly measure .506. My gun loads the .458 Socoms in yellow CR pretty good for 3 shots and they measure .5055ish tightly compressed. I usually shoot 3 of the Socoms then dry patch to make loading easier.

Its hard to get a true measurement. I held the top of the bullet and bottom of sabot and squeezed together then measured around the bottom knurl.

sabotloader

If you are getting .506 uncompressed with the bullet sabot combination you should be good to go after you get the combination through the crown where everthing scrunched together.

The Knurling would probably expand that to .507, but again once it goes through the crown the Knurling will be embedded in the sabot petals and all will be the same size.

I think Scott has mentioned that the smokeless guys have a problem with the Knurlings on a Lehigh.