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MountainDevil54 08-07-2011 10:56 AM

when in doubt, call the Manf. for max load help.

sabotloader 08-07-2011 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3831459)
when in doubt, call the Manf. for max load help.

that seems pretty simple!

Gm54-120 08-07-2011 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by MountainDevil54 (Post 3831459)
when in doubt, call the Manf. for max load help.

I prefer it in writing. My Savage manual has BH209 load data in writing. If something goes wrong, what someone said on a phone call is too easily debated in court. Knights current BH209 data says 120gr. I dont care what they say about T7 pellets. Its not the same powder. Would you reload a 45/70 with a powder that is similar and use the same data?

In writing its solid and officially approved by the manufacturer. CVA recommends 3 pellet loads that exceed 110gr loose powder pressure and even exceed what YOU said their barrels are tested to in PSI. They should be slapped silly for that one considering a single mistake with T7 pellets can reach over 30K psi easily. That makes me feel really safe in a 28K psi tested barrel.

rafsob 08-07-2011 11:52 AM

And what happened to the original thread?

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Muley Hunter 08-07-2011 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3831463)
I prefer it in writing. My Savage manual has BH209 load data in writing. If something goes wrong, what someone said on a phone call is too easily debated in court. Knights current BH209 data says 120gr. I dont care what they say about T7 pellets. Its not the same powder. Would you reload a 45/70 with a powder that is similar and use the same data?

In writing its solid and officially approved by the manufacturer. CVA recommends 3 pellet loads that exceed 110gr loose powder pressure and even exceed what YOU said their barrels are tested to in PSI. They should be slapped silly for that one considering a single mistake with T7 pellets can reach over 30K psi easily. That makes me feel really safe in a 28K psi tested barrel.

Does this make you feel better?

A Magnum Load of 3 X 50 grn.(150 grn total) pyrodex pellets or 100 grn. loose powder (FFg) has a peak PSI pressure of 25,000 to 27.000 PSI, (may be as high as 45,000 PSI?).
On Jan. 24, 2007, H.P. White Laboratory Inc. tested the hardness of a CVA barrel to Rb 85, Rc 4 = 79,000 to 81,000 PSI, (depending on Hardness Chart, not all the same).
H.P. White Laboratory Inc. also tested a Thompson Center Barrel to be Rc 18 = 103,000 PSI.

EndeavorShooter 08-07-2011 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by rafsob (Post 3831481)
And what happened to the original thread?

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no one has the powder yet so, nothing else to talk about...and we were waiting for you to weigh in with your infinate wisdom....

Muley Hunter 08-07-2011 12:35 PM

It would have been a short thread without off topic.

It probably would have been off the front page by now.

Thank us off topic experts for keeping it bumped up. :poke:

Gm54-120 08-07-2011 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Muley Hunter (Post 3831486)
Does this make you feel better?

A Magnum Load of 3 X 50 grn.(150 grn total) pyrodex pellets or 100 grn. loose powder (FFg) has a peak PSI pressure of 25,000 to 27.000 PSI, (may be as high as 45,000 PSI?).
On Jan. 24, 2007, H.P. White Laboratory Inc. tested the hardness of a CVA barrel to Rb 85, Rc 4 = 79,000 to 81,000 PSI, (depending on Hardness Chart, not all the same).
H.P. White Laboratory Inc. also tested a Thompson Center Barrel to be Rc 18 = 103,000 PSI.

Not really considering this from about 2007

As you read above, quoted from the H. P. White Laboratories report, the CVA inline guns tested were made from inferior, softer and weaker metal than an old Thompson/Center Renegade sidelock. So soft, in fact, that the CVA materials had to be measured on a different scale, the Rockwell �B� scale that is used for soft metals unsuitable for firearms.
Plus there is PROOF testing and hardness testing. Both are not always the same in barrel quality. Very hard steal can be brittle too. That is why CVA is not approved by CIP in many Euro countries and are banned in many of them without passing a in house proof test first before the consumer can take them home. Try buying one in Italy or Spain. ;)

Call CVA and ask them how many retail outlets they have in CIP countries. ;) T/C has a list on their website.

Im not saying that i think new CVAs are unsafe for most loads but if they only tested them to 28k PSI as Gander said then a 3pellet load can be VERY dangerous.

MountainDevil54 08-07-2011 03:18 PM

Bellm has tested the CVA barrel hardness and they passed with flying colors.

Not sure how we got onto this when it was about you guys shooting unapproved powder charges?

CVA allows 150gr Loose powder max.

rafsob 08-07-2011 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by INRecordBookBuck (Post 3831487)
no one has the powder yet so, nothing else to talk about...and we were waiting for you to weigh in with your infinate wisdom....

I guess you guys are right. Hit the dirt, incoming!!!!!!!!!!!!

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