New Project - A new Z5 and Swift Scope
07-07-2011 | 08:25 PM
#1
Thread Starter
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,703
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
New Project - A new Z5 and Swift Scope
Was not the project that I was planning on but it works for me.
Inrecordbookbuck sent me his new Z5 to loosen up for him. The bore was so tight he was having trouble loading it. It showed up today and I had a chance to work on it this evening... so I did.
Here is the first report...
Inrecordbookbuck
Gosh! I was not expecting a post on the subject, and it is certainly not anything that a lot of other folks on this site would have done for you also. but! it does give me an opportunity I needed also.
I did run a 100 strokes of JB's with a tight oiled-JB patches. The other thing that helped me was I used a 52 cal Spin Jag with a thicker linen patch to work the bore. The 52 cal Spin Jag fit the bore nice and tight and the thick patch made for a tight grip on the bore.
After the patch routine, I cleaned the bore with patches of Outers "Crud Cutter" - Cleaner/Degreaser to get the remains if the JB's out of the bore.
From there it went for a hot bath! I used Zep "Citrus" Cleaner/Degreaser in a tub of hot water, flushed that up and down the bore with a bore swab to get anything that might be left on the surface of the metal bore.
Next came the boiling water down and through the bore. This treament removes any surface plastic/powder fouling if there had been any but more importantly it forces the bore to give up the materials that might be stored in the pore of the steel. What I was really after was any left over teflon from the Rem oil or CLP if your variety of CLP has teflon in it.
While the bore is still to hot to handle it goes out to the shop and compressed air is blown through the barrel and out the outside to evaporate any water left on the metal.
Still hot the barrel comes back in the house - then installed into the stock. Then heated T17 patches are ran through the hot bore. The barrel is allowed to cool for a few minutes. The barrel is still pretty warm when i run tight clean patches through the bore to get the excess T17 out of the bore, followed by two patches of Montana Xtreme Bore Conditioner. Then the barrel is allowed to cool to room temp sitting in a gun cradle in the horizontal position.
When it was completely cooled I ran a variety of bullets and sabots through the bore. To my surprise even the very thick MMP Blue 40-50 sabot with a Lehigh 40-200 grain bullet passed through the bore. It was tight but certainly loadable... After loading that combination I was pretty sure that I could load almost anything, so I tried a .458-300 grain Lehigh in a MMP HPH .457/.458-50 sabot. Not quite as tight as the MMP Blue but certainly snug, but most importantly it loaded whith thumb pressure through the QLA.
From there I went to the .452 cal bullets using a Speer 250 gold and a Honady 250 FTX, in Harvester and MMP Sabots.
I did use all three Harvester sabots, the CR, the SB, and the Long Black for some reason the CR did not make the picture... But they all loaded with minimal pressure. But to my surprise the HPH-24 loaded the best with both the 250 bullets, the 24 even loaded easier than the HPH-3P.
Next step... I need to go shoot it maybe this weekend. This is the part that worked out well for me. Tim Ostrander, of Swift-SportOptics, had sent me a Swift 3x9x40 Reliant scope to try out. I already own a Swift Premier 2x7x40 scope, which has been an outstanding scope. The Reliant is less expensive variety, but I did want to try it so I found a set of NIC-STAR rings and installed the scope on the gun. As I was centering the cross-hairs vertically/horizontally - i could not believe the clarity of the glass. I always adjust the scope on 9X and when I was looking from the back room to the front room and out the window - I could see the nats flying above the grass. I was really surprised how clear and clean the picture was. It came with what Swift calls RHS Reticule. It is a very simple and really clean 4 dot reticule under the main cross hair. Again I really like it.
Hopefully this weekend we bring this whole plan together... If I get to shoot I will let u-all know.
Here is a picture of the set-up
Inrecordbookbuck sent me his new Z5 to loosen up for him. The bore was so tight he was having trouble loading it. It showed up today and I had a chance to work on it this evening... so I did.
Here is the first report...
Inrecordbookbuck
Gosh! I was not expecting a post on the subject, and it is certainly not anything that a lot of other folks on this site would have done for you also. but! it does give me an opportunity I needed also.
I did run a 100 strokes of JB's with a tight oiled-JB patches. The other thing that helped me was I used a 52 cal Spin Jag with a thicker linen patch to work the bore. The 52 cal Spin Jag fit the bore nice and tight and the thick patch made for a tight grip on the bore.
After the patch routine, I cleaned the bore with patches of Outers "Crud Cutter" - Cleaner/Degreaser to get the remains if the JB's out of the bore.
From there it went for a hot bath! I used Zep "Citrus" Cleaner/Degreaser in a tub of hot water, flushed that up and down the bore with a bore swab to get anything that might be left on the surface of the metal bore.
Next came the boiling water down and through the bore. This treament removes any surface plastic/powder fouling if there had been any but more importantly it forces the bore to give up the materials that might be stored in the pore of the steel. What I was really after was any left over teflon from the Rem oil or CLP if your variety of CLP has teflon in it.
While the bore is still to hot to handle it goes out to the shop and compressed air is blown through the barrel and out the outside to evaporate any water left on the metal.
Still hot the barrel comes back in the house - then installed into the stock. Then heated T17 patches are ran through the hot bore. The barrel is allowed to cool for a few minutes. The barrel is still pretty warm when i run tight clean patches through the bore to get the excess T17 out of the bore, followed by two patches of Montana Xtreme Bore Conditioner. Then the barrel is allowed to cool to room temp sitting in a gun cradle in the horizontal position.
When it was completely cooled I ran a variety of bullets and sabots through the bore. To my surprise even the very thick MMP Blue 40-50 sabot with a Lehigh 40-200 grain bullet passed through the bore. It was tight but certainly loadable... After loading that combination I was pretty sure that I could load almost anything, so I tried a .458-300 grain Lehigh in a MMP HPH .457/.458-50 sabot. Not quite as tight as the MMP Blue but certainly snug, but most importantly it loaded whith thumb pressure through the QLA.
From there I went to the .452 cal bullets using a Speer 250 gold and a Honady 250 FTX, in Harvester and MMP Sabots.
I did use all three Harvester sabots, the CR, the SB, and the Long Black for some reason the CR did not make the picture... But they all loaded with minimal pressure. But to my surprise the HPH-24 loaded the best with both the 250 bullets, the 24 even loaded easier than the HPH-3P.
Next step... I need to go shoot it maybe this weekend. This is the part that worked out well for me. Tim Ostrander, of Swift-SportOptics, had sent me a Swift 3x9x40 Reliant scope to try out. I already own a Swift Premier 2x7x40 scope, which has been an outstanding scope. The Reliant is less expensive variety, but I did want to try it so I found a set of NIC-STAR rings and installed the scope on the gun. As I was centering the cross-hairs vertically/horizontally - i could not believe the clarity of the glass. I always adjust the scope on 9X and when I was looking from the back room to the front room and out the window - I could see the nats flying above the grass. I was really surprised how clear and clean the picture was. It came with what Swift calls RHS Reticule. It is a very simple and really clean 4 dot reticule under the main cross hair. Again I really like it.
Hopefully this weekend we bring this whole plan together... If I get to shoot I will let u-all know.
Here is a picture of the set-up
Last edited by sabotloader; 07-08-2011 at 06:51 AM.
07-07-2011 | 09:37 PM
#2
Nontypical Buck
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 2,496
Likes: 0
From: Yucca Valley,Ca
Was not the project that I was planning on but it works for me.
Inrecordbookbuck sent me his new Z5 to loosen up for him. The bore was so tight he was having trouble loading it. It showed up today and I had a chance to work on it this evening... so I did.
Here is the first report...
Inrecordbookbuck
Gosh! I was not expecting a post on the subject, and it is certainly not anything that a lot of other folks on this site would have done for you also. but! it does give me an opportunity I needed also.
I did run a 100 strokes of KB's with a tight oiled-JB patches. The other thing that helped me was I used a 52 cal Spin Jag with a thicker linen patch to work the bore. The 52 cal Spin Jag fit the bore nice and tight and the thick patch made for a tight grip on the bore.
After the patch routine, I cleaned the bore with patches of Outers "Crud Cutter" - Cleaner/Degreaser to get the remains if the JB's out of the bore.
From there it went for a hot bath! I used Zep "Citrus" Cleaner/Degreaser in a tub of hot water, flushed that up and down the bore with a bore swab to get anything that might be left on the surface of the metal bore.
Next came the boiling water down and through the bore. This treament removes any surface plastic/powder fouling if there had been any but more importantly it forces the bore to give up the materials that might be stored in the pore of the steel. What I was really after was any left over teflon from the Rem oil or CLP if your variety of CLP has teflon in it.
While the bore is still to hot to handle it goes out to the shop and compressed air is blown through the barrel and out the outside to evaporate any water left on the metal.
Still hot the barrel comes back in the house - then installed into the stock. Then heated T17 patches are ran through the hot bore. The barrel is allowed to cool for a few minutes. The barrel is still pretty warm when i run tight clean patches through the bore to get the excess T17 out of the bore, followed by two patches of Montana Xtreme Bore Conditioner. Then the barrel is allowed to cool to room temp sitting in a gun cradle in the horizontal position.
When it was completely cooled I ran a variety of bullets and sabots through the bore. To my surprise even the very thick MMP Blue 40-50 sabot with a Lehigh 40-200 grain bullet passed through the bore. It was tight but certainly loadable... After loading that combination I was pretty sure that I could load almost anything, so I tried a .458-300 grain Lehigh in a MMP HPH .457/.458-50 sabot. Not quite as tight as the MMP Blue but certainly snug, but most importantly it loaded whith thumb pressure through the QLA.
From there I went to the .452 cal bullets using a Speer 250 gold and a Honady 250 FTX, in Harvester and MMP Sabots.
I did use all three Harvester sabots, the CR, the SB, and the Long Black for some reason the CR did not make the picture... But they all loaded with minimal pressure. But to my surprise the HPH-24 loaded the best with both the 250 bullets, the 24 even loaded easier than the HPH-3P.
Next step... I need to go shoot it maybe this weekend. This is the part that worked out well for me. Tim Ostrander, of Swift-SportOptics, had sent me a Swift 3x9x40 Reliant scope to try out. I already own a Swift Premier 2x7x40 scope, which has been an outstanding scope. The Reliant is less expensive variety, but I did want to try it so I found a set of NIC-STAR rings and installed the scope on the gun. As I was centering the cross-hairs vertically/horizontally - i could not believe the clarity of the glass. I always adjust the scope on 9X and when I was looking from the back room to the front room and out the window - I could see the nats flying above the grass. I was really surprised how clear and clean the picture was. It came with what Swift calls RHS Reticule. It is a very simple and really clean 4 dot reticule under the main cross hair. Again I really like it.
Hopefully this weekend we bring this whole plan together... If I get to shoot I will let u-all know.
Here is a picture of the set-up
Inrecordbookbuck sent me his new Z5 to loosen up for him. The bore was so tight he was having trouble loading it. It showed up today and I had a chance to work on it this evening... so I did.
Here is the first report...
Inrecordbookbuck
Gosh! I was not expecting a post on the subject, and it is certainly not anything that a lot of other folks on this site would have done for you also. but! it does give me an opportunity I needed also.
I did run a 100 strokes of KB's with a tight oiled-JB patches. The other thing that helped me was I used a 52 cal Spin Jag with a thicker linen patch to work the bore. The 52 cal Spin Jag fit the bore nice and tight and the thick patch made for a tight grip on the bore.
After the patch routine, I cleaned the bore with patches of Outers "Crud Cutter" - Cleaner/Degreaser to get the remains if the JB's out of the bore.
From there it went for a hot bath! I used Zep "Citrus" Cleaner/Degreaser in a tub of hot water, flushed that up and down the bore with a bore swab to get anything that might be left on the surface of the metal bore.
Next came the boiling water down and through the bore. This treament removes any surface plastic/powder fouling if there had been any but more importantly it forces the bore to give up the materials that might be stored in the pore of the steel. What I was really after was any left over teflon from the Rem oil or CLP if your variety of CLP has teflon in it.
While the bore is still to hot to handle it goes out to the shop and compressed air is blown through the barrel and out the outside to evaporate any water left on the metal.
Still hot the barrel comes back in the house - then installed into the stock. Then heated T17 patches are ran through the hot bore. The barrel is allowed to cool for a few minutes. The barrel is still pretty warm when i run tight clean patches through the bore to get the excess T17 out of the bore, followed by two patches of Montana Xtreme Bore Conditioner. Then the barrel is allowed to cool to room temp sitting in a gun cradle in the horizontal position.
When it was completely cooled I ran a variety of bullets and sabots through the bore. To my surprise even the very thick MMP Blue 40-50 sabot with a Lehigh 40-200 grain bullet passed through the bore. It was tight but certainly loadable... After loading that combination I was pretty sure that I could load almost anything, so I tried a .458-300 grain Lehigh in a MMP HPH .457/.458-50 sabot. Not quite as tight as the MMP Blue but certainly snug, but most importantly it loaded whith thumb pressure through the QLA.
From there I went to the .452 cal bullets using a Speer 250 gold and a Honady 250 FTX, in Harvester and MMP Sabots.
I did use all three Harvester sabots, the CR, the SB, and the Long Black for some reason the CR did not make the picture... But they all loaded with minimal pressure. But to my surprise the HPH-24 loaded the best with both the 250 bullets, the 24 even loaded easier than the HPH-3P.
Next step... I need to go shoot it maybe this weekend. This is the part that worked out well for me. Tim Ostrander, of Swift-SportOptics, had sent me a Swift 3x9x40 Reliant scope to try out. I already own a Swift Premier 2x7x40 scope, which has been an outstanding scope. The Reliant is less expensive variety, but I did want to try it so I found a set of NIC-STAR rings and installed the scope on the gun. As I was centering the cross-hairs vertically/horizontally - i could not believe the clarity of the glass. I always adjust the scope on 9X and when I was looking from the back room to the front room and out the window - I could see the nats flying above the grass. I was really surprised how clear and clean the picture was. It came with what Swift calls RHS Reticule. It is a very simple and really clean 4 dot reticule under the main cross hair. Again I really like it.
Hopefully this weekend we bring this whole plan together... If I get to shoot I will let u-all know.
Here is a picture of the set-up
Ray
07-08-2011 | 05:36 AM
#3
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 6,585
Likes: 0
Mike if it starts shooting all over suspect the scope. I put that exact same scope on my Triumph and it only lasted about 3 months, they replaced it but I did not put the replacement scope on a muzzleloader the other one lost its guts to easy.
07-08-2011 | 06:50 AM
#4
Thread Starter
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,703
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
Never had any problems with the Premier so I am hoping for the best on this one also.
07-09-2011 | 08:41 AM
#5
Dominant Buck
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 21,193
Likes: 0
From: Wisconsin
Mike - what's the length of that scope and the cost range? Looks like a nice set up. I have no BDC type scope in my collection and if they are cost effective, I might get one and throw that on my Black Diamond XR.
07-09-2011 | 02:26 PM
#7
Thread Starter
Boone & Crockett
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 11,703
Likes: 0
From: Idaho
http://www.swift-sportoptics.com/rs_reliant.htm
Price from SWFA
http://swfa.com/Swift-Reliant-Rifle-Scopes-C198.aspx
You want on with the RHS Reticule
Dave - I am really amazed at the clarity of the glass but I have not shot the scope at all yet. I bore sighted it the other night and the turrents worked very well and were uniform in their movement.
Personally I think it really is a Premier, but you are only getting a 5 year warranty where the Premier is lifetime.
