Muley, I didn't know you were fluent in Wolf Talk. How do you say "I like how your butt smells" in Wolf? I was told it's Ooowoooll. But that doesn't seem right.

I have no comeback.

Muley, that entry level was actually started by CVA and TC in advertising thats why some of us get a chuckle out of it.

I received a Wolf as a gift several years ago and find that it is just as good a gun as most of the higher priced ones on the market. A group of black powder enthusiasts regularly practice on our place and as of yet none of their more expensive guns have out performed the Wolf from the bench or off hand. Using 85 grains of RS and a 250 grain CVA Slick Load sabot I regularly hold one and a half three shot groups at 100 yards from the bench with open sights. In fact two of the guys have sold their expensive smoke poles and replaced them with a Wolf after shooting mine. I know it is considered an entry level gun but feel that it is all the gun most hunters need.

I have never owned a Wolf or a Savage. But if I had to choose one or the other, it would be the Wolf. Now before you climb on a high horse.. remember, I have 14 inline rifles. Add one more, and it will not be a special rifle, just one I shoot in succession. Now a Savage would be a great rifle, but I am not a fan of smokeless powders, and if all you are going to shoot out of the Savage is standard black/sub powders... the wolf could do the same thing for a cheaper cost.

Since the Savage is gone.. there is no harm checking out other rifles. The Wolf, Impact, Vortex, Optima, Omega, Triumph, just to name a few. If you're not so high tech motivated.. there are older styles that can be obtained for a good price and will shoot as well as any of them. For instance, these lucky dogs latching on to a MK85.. I hope they know what quality of rifle they got for such a cheap price.

I have a Black Diamond XR. To find a better shooting rifle would be hard. But people avoid that rifle because it is probably one of the most filthy to shoot rifles there is. BUt if a little extra cleaning don't bother you, I could have had one of them for only $120.00. I waited one day to long and it disappeared.

So look around. Unless you have your heart set on a certain model.

well, I popped in to check out some guns today... lo and behold there was another savage ML10. $335... so its hanging out on hold for me....

Excellent choice.

A muzzleloader shooting smokeless powder makes no sense to me.

It's not legal in ML season, and if you hunt the rifle season. Why not just shoot a CF rifle?

A muzzleloader shooting smokeless makes alot of sense to me.

It is legal in the state I hunt. It's loaded from the muzzle and is considered a muzzleloader. I hunt where CF rifles are not legal.

After building my 1st smokeless muzzleloader and firing the first shot I asked myself, "Why did I not do this sooner?"

With a 120gr charge in lets say my .45 Knight DISC Elite shooting a 200gr SST I can get it going close to 2300fps. Using the same bullet and my smokeless .45 with a safe powder charge its travelling close to 2700fps. This makes my drop from 100-200yds only a few inches if sighted in an inch high. Recoil is also milder IMO which makes for a very nice range session.

What one chooses to hunt with is his or her personal preference if the weapon of choice is legal. The smokeless guns will all shoot subs also so its its the best of both worlds IMO. I choose to only shoot smokeless out of mine. Clean up is one patch if I feel like cleaning it. I have yet to have a misfire in mine. The Savage breech plug is a great design IMO. Flash channel is 5/32 with hardly any primer shelf and a replaceable vent liner.

This was shot on my 2nd range trip at 100yds with 200gr SST's travelling around 2600fps. It will only get better once I tweek the powder charge. I wish the origional poster the best of luck!

You got really lucky IMO.

Like i said its heavy but if you dont mind the weight, you now have a platform that can fill many roles. Its very reliable with BH209 if you choose to avoid smokeless. There are plenty of smokeless loads though that make equal or even less pressure than subs but more fps.

I advise going that route when you are comfortable using it and have done your research. I would stick with BH209 though until you are very familiar with the gun and the basics. BH209 has some similar properties as smokeless and will get you on a quicker learning curve IMO and it can handle any load you can handle.

Savage barrels are tested to over 100K psi, actually closer to 130psi. The co inventor is a current US Army sniper and he has done some pretty crazy things with the Savage in the past.

There is quite a bit of aftermarket too from triggers to stocks to barrels ect ect. Many parts that fit a Savage short action are interchangeable. Its a rifle that can really grow with your needs or wants....as long as you dont want a brush gun. :P