Sannadex Powder
05-06-2011 | 06:16 PM
#31
Boone & Crockett
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Do that same thing loading a sabot - roll it on my tongue also...
05-06-2011 | 06:45 PM
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Boone & Crockett
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From: Idaho
sides it is just salt...
05-06-2011 | 07:44 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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Ya, it does that is why I said that. When you use a real spit patch you get the effect right away... nor does it even smell like a Ascorbic Acid powder. T7 stinks and smells old, while whoever used the term molasses for the Acorbis Acid powders - is very close to right.
But, I think I do see the difference when you start looking at the chemical formulas...
When you look at all these powders, which I consider sugar powders - they all have AA added which is Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C)
None of the T7 powders have this added.
I know the definition lumped T7 with BM3, and I do not understand why as I think they are fundementally different powders.
But, I think I do see the difference when you start looking at the chemical formulas...
When you look at all these powders, which I consider sugar powders - they all have AA added which is Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C)
None of the T7 powders have this added.
I know the definition lumped T7 with BM3, and I do not understand why as I think they are fundementally different powders.
05-06-2011 | 08:00 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Colorado
Here's a funny comment from another forum.
"I had the same problem with the crud ring when using Triple 7. I switched to American Pioneer Powder and use the milder 209 primers made just for muzzleloading. I used my Triple 7 to blow out a stump. That's all it's good for in my opinion."
"I had the same problem with the crud ring when using Triple 7. I switched to American Pioneer Powder and use the milder 209 primers made just for muzzleloading. I used my Triple 7 to blow out a stump. That's all it's good for in my opinion."
05-06-2011 | 10:00 PM
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Typical Buck
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Below is what a well recognized black powder manufacturing expert with the screen name "mad monk" posted on ALR. From what he says it's pretty clear that 777 resulted from changing the formula of Pyrodex which ended up increasing its shelf life. And he distinguishes those 2 powders apart from the sugar based powders which he says belong to 2 groups, the AA powders and fruit sugar powder.
Originally Posted by mad monk Reply #19
Pyrodex uses elemental sulfur in with the potassium perchlorate, potassium nitrate and a bit of charcoal. If you look in: The Chemistry of Powder & explosives by Tenny L. Davis, in the section on primer compositions you see a warning where a chlorate or perchlorate muist never be used with elemental sulfur. That with the addition of moisture you will get a "self-souring" action in the powder. The reaction makes the composition unreliable. At first the composition becomes erratic in its behavior. Then becomes weak and then finally stops working completely.
I was impressed with Hodgdon's 777 powder. A change in formulation that should give a very long shelf-life with no deterioration in performance during storage.
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/...?topic=3986.15
I was impressed with Hodgdon's 777 powder. A change in formulation that should give a very long shelf-life with no deterioration in performance during storage.
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/...?topic=3986.15
Originally Posted by mad monk Reply #23
The main ingredient used in Pyrodex and in 777 is unique to those powders and had not been used in the past in propellant powders.
The same is true for the use of ascorbic acid in powders. Another one sort of unique to the present.
The only one with any straight historical background was GOEX's now defunct Clear Shot powder that was based on the combination of fruit sugar and potassium nitrate. It has history back into the 19th century.
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/...?topic=3986.15
The same is true for the use of ascorbic acid in powders. Another one sort of unique to the present.
The only one with any straight historical background was GOEX's now defunct Clear Shot powder that was based on the combination of fruit sugar and potassium nitrate. It has history back into the 19th century.
http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/...?topic=3986.15
Last edited by arcticap; 05-06-2011 at 10:11 PM.