Sannadex Powder
05-06-2011 | 11:31 AM
#21
Boone & Crockett
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Do some searching; this whole topic has already been discussed along time ago... T7 is a smokeless white powder until color and smoke are added.
Better yet taste it... there will be no doubt in your mind, there is no surgar...
05-06-2011 | 12:30 PM
#23
Typical Buck
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From: MD/PA Line
Hodgdon also makes Triple Seven, one of the family of sulfurless black powder substitutes. Triple Seven and Black Mag3 are more energetic than black powder, and produce higher velocities and pressures. Still burning carbon, the carbon-based fuel burned here is from the sugar family, not from charcoal.
Western Powders Company introduced Blackhorn 209 in 2008. Like other substitutes, it is made to be a volumetric substitute of black powder. It is dispensed in "black powder powder measures" for muzzleloading applications. Blackhorn 209 is an essentially non-corrosive, low-fouling, very consistent in gas generation, and non-hygroscopic
The whole article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_powder_substitute
Western Powders Company introduced Blackhorn 209 in 2008. Like other substitutes, it is made to be a volumetric substitute of black powder. It is dispensed in "black powder powder measures" for muzzleloading applications. Blackhorn 209 is an essentially non-corrosive, low-fouling, very consistent in gas generation, and non-hygroscopic
The whole article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_powder_substitute
05-06-2011 | 12:41 PM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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Think you are wrong... on that point and there are many sources out there for you to check.
If you check the MSDS it list:
Charcoal
Potassium Nitrate
Potassium Perculate
Graphite
Charcoal for the smoke and Graphite for the color. And unless Hodgdon filed an incorrect MSDS - Charcoal is charcoal.
Potassium nitrate is a chemical compound with the formula KNO3. It occurs as a mineral niter and is a natural solid source of nitrogen. Its common names include saltpetre (saltpeter in American English), from Medieval Latin sal petrę: "stone salt" or possibly "Salt of Petra" and nitrate of potash.
Potassium perchlorate is the inorganic salt with the chemical formula KClO4. Like other perchlorates, this salt is a strong oxidizer and potentially reacts with many organic substances. This usually obtained as a colorless, crystalline solid is a common oxidizer used in fireworks, ammunition percussion caps, explosive primers, and is used variously in propellants, flash compositions, stars, and sparklers.
Charcoal is the dark grey residue consisting of impure carbon obtained by removing water and other volatile constituents from animal and vegetation substances.
Sugar based powders use Ascorbic Acid. There is no ascorbic acid in any of the T7 products.
Ascorbic acid is a reductone sugar acid with antioxidant properties. Its appearance is white to light-yellow crystals or powder, and it is water-soluble.
If you check the MSDS it list:
Charcoal
Potassium Nitrate
Potassium Perculate
Graphite
Charcoal for the smoke and Graphite for the color. And unless Hodgdon filed an incorrect MSDS - Charcoal is charcoal.
Potassium nitrate is a chemical compound with the formula KNO3. It occurs as a mineral niter and is a natural solid source of nitrogen. Its common names include saltpetre (saltpeter in American English), from Medieval Latin sal petrę: "stone salt" or possibly "Salt of Petra" and nitrate of potash.
Potassium perchlorate is the inorganic salt with the chemical formula KClO4. Like other perchlorates, this salt is a strong oxidizer and potentially reacts with many organic substances. This usually obtained as a colorless, crystalline solid is a common oxidizer used in fireworks, ammunition percussion caps, explosive primers, and is used variously in propellants, flash compositions, stars, and sparklers.
Charcoal is the dark grey residue consisting of impure carbon obtained by removing water and other volatile constituents from animal and vegetation substances.
Sugar based powders use Ascorbic Acid. There is no ascorbic acid in any of the T7 products.
Ascorbic acid is a reductone sugar acid with antioxidant properties. Its appearance is white to light-yellow crystals or powder, and it is water-soluble.
05-06-2011 | 02:09 PM
#26
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From: Comance county, OK
More 777 information:
http://www.forensic-testing.net/uplo...xp_summary.pdf
777 contains, among other stuff, Potassium nitrate, Potassium perchloride, Benzoic acid (na salt), Nitrobenzoic acid (na salt) and Dicyandiamide.
BTW: Some bomb squads and labs have problems identifying 777 from pipe bomb residue.
http://www.forensic-testing.net/uplo...xp_summary.pdf
777 contains, among other stuff, Potassium nitrate, Potassium perchloride, Benzoic acid (na salt), Nitrobenzoic acid (na salt) and Dicyandiamide.
BTW: Some bomb squads and labs have problems identifying 777 from pipe bomb residue.
Last edited by falcon; 05-06-2011 at 02:12 PM.
05-06-2011 | 02:41 PM
#27
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From: Idaho
More 777 information:
http://www.forensic-testing.net/uplo...xp_summary.pdf
777 contains, among other stuff, Potassium nitrate, Potassium perchloride, Benzoic acid (na salt), Nitrobenzoic acid (na salt) and Dicyandiamide.
BTW: Some bomb squads and labs have problems identifying 777 from pipe bomb residue.
http://www.forensic-testing.net/uplo...xp_summary.pdf
777 contains, among other stuff, Potassium nitrate, Potassium perchloride, Benzoic acid (na salt), Nitrobenzoic acid (na salt) and Dicyandiamide.
BTW: Some bomb squads and labs have problems identifying 777 from pipe bomb residue.
05-06-2011 | 05:15 PM
#29
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From: Idaho
Ya, it does that is why I said that. When you use a real spit patch you get the effect right away... nor does it even smell like a Ascorbic Acid powder. T7 stinks and smells old, while whoever used the term molasses for the Acorbis Acid powders - is very close to right.
But, I think I do see the difference when you start looking at the chemical formulas...
When you look at all these powders, which I consider sugar powders - they all have AA added which is Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C)
None of the T7 powders have this added.
I know the definition lumped T7 with BM3, and I do not understand why as I think they are fundementally different powders.
But, I think I do see the difference when you start looking at the chemical formulas...
When you look at all these powders, which I consider sugar powders - they all have AA added which is Ascorbic Acid (vitamin C)
None of the T7 powders have this added.
I know the definition lumped T7 with BM3, and I do not understand why as I think they are fundementally different powders.
Last edited by sabotloader; 05-06-2011 at 05:20 PM.
